Quranic Salat
The numbers of regular daily prayers “Salat” mentioned by their respective names in Arabic as a “term” in the “Quran” are “three” as follows:
1- Salat Fajr (صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ) (Dawn Prayer), (Sura Al-Nur 24:58).
2- Al-Salat Al-Wusta (الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى) or (الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ ) (or The Middle Prayer), (Sura Al-Baqarah 2:238) and (Sura Al-Isra 17:78).
3- Salat Isha’a (صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ) (Night Prayer), (Sura Al-Nur 24:58).
Note that (الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى) in (Sura Al-Baqarah 2:238) and (الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ ) in (Sura Al-Isra 17:78) are the same “Salat” because these both “Salat” has (ال) common with them indicating that these are the same “Salat” as compared to (صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ) and (صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ) which are without (ال) with word (صَلَاةِِ).
(ال) in Arabic is equivalent to the word “The” in English, indicating the importance of the middle prayer.
The following three “Salat” which are not mentioned in “Quran” by their names as a “term” in Arabic are as:
1- Salat Dhuhr (ظهر).
2- Salat Asr (عصر).
3- Salat Maghrib (مغرب).
Although, the words “Dhuhr (ظهر)”, “Asr (عصر)” and “Maghrib (مغرب)” are used in Quran but not as a “Term” defining “Salat”. In Sura Al-Nur 24: 58, the word “noon” is used but not as a “Salat Time” or as a “Salat Al-Dhuhr” but rather than as a “Time of Privacy/Rest Time”. For references and proof of the fact stated above, read the following verses in the Quran in Arabic & English.
حَافِظُواْ عَلَى الصَّلَوَاتِ والصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى وَقُومُواْ لِلّهِ قَانِتِينَ
(Sura Al-Baqarah 2:238).
Guard strictly your (habit of) prayers, especially the Middle Prayer; and stand before Allah in a devout (frame of mind). (Sura Al-Baqarah 2:238).
أَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا
(Sura Al-Isra 17:78).
Establish regular prayers – at the sun’s decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading: for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony. (Sura Al-Isra 17:78).
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِيَسْتَأْذِنكُمُ الَّذِينَ مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ وَالَّذِينَ لَمْ يَبْلُغُوا الْحُلُمَ مِنكُمْ ثَلَاثَ مَرَّاتٍ مِن قَبْلِ صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ وَحِينَ تَضَعُونَ ثِيَابَكُم مِّنَ الظَّهِيرَةِ وَمِن بَعْدِ صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ ثَلَاثُ عَوْرَاتٍ لَّكُمْ لَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلَا عَلَيْهِمْ جُنَاحٌ بَعْدَهُنَّ طَوَّافُونَ عَلَيْكُم بَعْضُكُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ كَذَلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمُ الْآيَاتِ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
(Sura Al-Nur 24: 58.).
O ye who believe! let those whom your right hand possess, and those of you, who have not reached puberty, ask leave of you at three times before coming into your private apartments -before the Morning Prayer (Salat Al-Fajr), and when you lay aside your clothes at noon (in summer) and after the night Prayer (Salat Al-Esha). These are the three times of privacy for you. At other times there is no blame on you nor on them, for some of you have to attend upon others and to move about freely according to need. Thus does Allah make plain to you the Signs; for Allah is All-Knowing, Wise. (Sura Al-Nur 24: 58.).
copied from link - http://pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/05/17/salat-of-quran/
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tyhe five salat that i know of are as follows - Fajr/suhbi - Dhur - Asr - Maghrib - Isha
subhi is in the quran - but not used in connotation of prayer...
using the web qt programme but searching the word mornng - one can see the translator interchangable usage of he word...
i am finding this interesting
The search found 18 match(es) for the word morning:
3:72
Khalifa
Some followers of the scripture say, "Believe in what was sent down to the believers in the morning, and reject it in the evening; maybe someday they will revert.
6:60
Khalifa
He is the One who puts you to death during the night, and knows even the smallest of your actions during the day. He resurrects you every morning, until your life span is fulfilled, then to Him is your ultimate return. He will then inform you of everything you had done.
6:96
Khalifa
At the crack of dawn, He causes the morning to emerge. He made the night still, and He rendered the sun and the moon to serve as calculation devices. Such is the design of the Almighty, the Omniscient.
11:81
Khalifa
(The angels) said, "O Lot, we are your Lord's messengers, and these people cannot touch you. You shall leave with your family during the night, and let not anyone of you look back, except your wife; she is condemned along with those who are condemned. Their appointed time is the morning. Is not the morning soon enough?"
13:15
Khalifa
To GOD prostrates everyone in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and so do their shadows in the mornings and the evenings.
15:66
Khalifa
We delivered to him this command: those people are to be annihilated in the morning.
15:73
Khalifa
Consequently, the disaster struck them in the morning.
15:83
Khalifa
The disaster hit them in the morning.
28:18
Khalifa
In the morning, he was in the city, afraid and watchful. The one who sought his help yesterday, asked for his help again. Moses said to him, "You are really a troublemaker."
29:37
Khalifa
They disbelieved him and, consequently, the earthquake annihilated them; they were left dead in their homes by morning.
30:17
Khalifa
Therefore, you shall glorify GOD when you retire at night, and when you rise in the morning.
46:25
Khalifa
It destroyed everything, as commanded by its Lord. By morning, nothing was standing except their homes. We thus requite the guilty people.
54:38
Khalifa
Early the next morning, a devastating retribution struck them.
68:17
Khalifa
We have tested them like we tested the owners of the garden who swore that they will harvest it in the morning.
68:20
Khalifa
By morning, it was barren.
68:21
Khalifa
They called on each other in the morning.
74:34
Khalifa
And the morning as it shines.
81:18
Khalifa
And the morn as it breathes.
100:3
Khalifa
Invading (the enemy) by morning.
MAGHRIB... correst transation is not evening but west - this is my undersatanding
2:115
Walillahi almashriqu waalmaghribu faaynama tuwalloo fathamma wajhu Allahi inna Allaha wasiAAun AAaleemun
2:142
Sayaqoolu alssufahao mina alnnasi ma wallahum AAan qiblatihimu allatee kanoo AAalayha qul lillahi almashriqu waalmaghribu yahdee man yashao ila siratin mustaqeemin
2:177
Laysa albirra an tuwalloo wujoohakum qibala almashriqi waalmaghribi walakinna albirra man amana biAllahi waalyawmi alakhiri waalmalaikati waalkitabi waalnnabiyyeena waata almala AAala hubbihi thawee alqurba waalyatama waalmasakeena waibna alssabeeli waalssaileena wafee alrriqabi waaqama alssalata waata alzzakata waalmoofoona biAAahdihim itha AAahadoo waalssabireena fee albasai waalddarrai waheena albasi olaika allatheena sadaqoo waolaika humu almuttaqoona
2:258
Alam tara ila allathee hajja ibraheema fee rabbihi an atahu Allahu almulka ith qala ibraheemu rabbiya allathee yuhyee wayumeetu qala ana ohyee waomeetu qala ibraheemu fainna Allaha yatee bialshshamsi mina almashriqi fati biha mina almaghribi fabuhita allathee kafara waAllahu la yahdee alqawma alththalimeena
18:86 - in this maghriba al shamsi -is described as setting of the sun - if we agree that sum is shams - then the action of setting is the maghriba
Hatta itha balagha maghriba alshshamsi wajadaha taghrubu fee AAaynin hamiatin wawajada AAindaha qawman qulna ya tha alqarnayni imma an tuAAaththiba waimma an tattakhitha feehim husnan
Khalifa - When he reached the far west, he found the sun setting in a vast ocean, and found people there. We said, "O Zul-Qarnain, you can rule as you wish; either punish, or be kind to them."
Yusuf Ali - Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
Pickthal - Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
Shakir - Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.
Sher Ali - Until when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting as if in a pool of murky water, and near it he found a people. WE said, `O Dhu'l Qarnain, you may punish them, or treat them with kindness.'
"Progressive Muslims" - Until he reached the setting of the sun, and he found it setting at a boiling lake, and he found near it a people. We said: "O two horned one, either you are to punish, or you are to do them good."
26:28 -maghribi is translated as west in this verse
Qala rabbu almashriqi waalmaghribi wama baynahuma in kuntum taAAqiloona
Khalifa - He said, "The Lord of the east and the west, and everything between them, if you understand."
Yusuf Ali - (Moses) said: "Lord of the East and the West, and all between! if ye only had sense!"
Pickthal - He said: Lord of the East and the West and all that is between them, if ye did but understand.
Shakir - He said: The Lord of the east and the west and what is between them, if you understand.
Sher Ali - Moses Said, `The Lord of the East and of the West, and of all that is between the two, if only you have sense.'
"Progressive Muslims" - He said: "The Lord of the east and the west, and what is between them, if you understand."
55:17
Rabbu almashriqayni warabbu almaghribayni
73:9
Rabbu almashriqi waalmaghribi la ilaha illa huwa faittakhithhu wakeelan
AASRI - some translate as afternoon, some translate as "a time" i can only find one - with arabic - ain, sad, ra
103:1
Waalaaasri
By the time -
By the afternoon - Khalifa
DHURI
Sunday, 4 December 2011
Wednesday, 21 September 2011
Have no fear for the Lord is always with thee
the other day, i wrote i was afraid and today i am inspired - all by Gods grace.
on submission.org and learned about the mathematical miracle of the number 19 in the Quran!
however, I branched off from submission.org, because i believed in the message of Rashad, which was to follow the Quran alone. - this has always been the message of Rashad - i believe - (since the Quran only states 3 names of prayer, and the 2.5% is totally not in the Quran but from tradition. Not to mention that it is illogical since most people did not even know simple math back then in the dark ages!!! how would they fair then with 1/40) i would have to agree with him as i can only find 3 salat mentioned in Quran too - and this 2.5 tax thing - i have never understood it - how we came at 2.5 which is not in the quran is amazing - i dont understand how in some parts we are asked to follow Quran alone - the Quran is complete and in some parts we take from hadith. (Another thing is the deletion of the two verse at the end of sura 9, which is hypocritical to God's decree of "no falsehood can enter into it!!!..." (41:42) (I like the free-minds explanation of sura 9 being a Law-decreeing sura (Muhkim) = featuring fighting)
*This is when it hits me when God tells us that he allows the devil to put falsehood in EVERY prophet/messenger he sends. God then leaves what the devil fabricated to be a test, and then rules with his Revelations/Words! - i have not even thought about this at all - so have nocomments on it
*Another good point for the submitters out there is that Rashad even stated in his great debate video something like ' if i tell you to do something that's not in the Quran, do NOT do it'. Thus again, confirming the message from God (Quran Alone), and debasing the errors of the human messenger, (even the Prophet Muhammed erred when he forbid something that was lawful to him in sura 66, thus human messengers do err!).
This is when i had to re-change my beliefs - i would not say this is a change in belief but rather a change in approach to prayer - belief is all about God - prayer is a worship requirement - again, from doing 5 salats to 3 salats.
During the 2yr period of my renaissance and cleaving to God, i became zealous and started to research my way into the Torah/Tanakh and the entire bible. This is when by God's grace, I found out that God's chosen religion (Submission/Abrahamic Monothiesm) has really been the same; the salat and zakat being the main components for the rememberance of God. While the laws and commandments differ (by God's leave) - i wholly agree with this rationale - as i have said so many times - belief in God salat and zakat are the three main tennents - why we want to forget that i dont know.
I even started to learn to read biblical Hebrew, and just found it absolutely fantastic to see the similarities between the Biblical Hebrew and the Quranic Arabic words.
Such an instance is when God calls moses out of the burning bush and tells him to take off his shoes, in Arabic "ya mosa inani ana allahu" and "f'Ekhla3 na3laik" and in Hebrew God states it as "moshe moshe h'inani..." and " Shel n3lekha m3l reglekha!" (Exodus 3:4 and Quran 27:9 & 20:12) (Such instances taken with great appreciation!)
By God's grace, i also found out the roots of the Salat and the Zakat fro the previous scriptures.
First to mention is Abraham prayed to God to make him one of those who do their Salats (Quran 14:40) and to show him the rights of his religion (Quran 2:128). Second, God tells the children of Israel in the Quran of his conditional support, "I am with you if you establish Salat, and Give the zakat....." (5:12), thus the children of Israel must have known how to do the salat and give the zakat! God then tells us that generations came by and LOST their salat! Quran 19:59) Hence:
Salat is equivilant of the Aramaic 'sloota' (Prayer) and the Hebrew Tfillah (prayer) or Amidah (standing prayer) Which is basically the 3 daily prayers: evening, morning, and noon (see psalm 55:17, Daniel 6:10, and the New Testament's times for prayer 3rth, 6th, and 9th hours, all of which shadow the Quran's 3 names of prayer (Dawn, evening, and middle prayer Quran 24:58 and 2:238)
Watch the Original Jewish Amidah (Standing Prayer)
salat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg i have just viewed this and it is awfully inspiring.
*Notice the similarities between the motions and the standard muslim movements,
see laws of the Amidah, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, 18:12 at http://www.yonanewman.org/kizzur/kizzur18.html#12
*Also see Abraham's explanation of prayer http://www.torah.org/learning/rambam/tf.html#
*it is also noteworthy to mention that the Amidah (standing prayer/Salat) has 19 Blessings to be recited! (can be found at http://www.hebrew4christians.com/) -
Zakat is equivilant to the Aebrew 'tzadakha' (charity) which is the 10% tithe throughout the Old testament AND the New testament). (i.e Abraham gives the priest MelechZedek 10%, Jacob vows a vow to give God 10%, God reprimands the children of Israel for not giving the 10% tithe). God changes this 10% tithe to the "the extra/Awf" that we have in 2:219 Quran)
i researched this before and i came across 10% too which is mentioned as tithe which is zakat i think - but i am inclined towards the excess rather than 10% and rather than 2.5 of which i can find no evidence other than some people saying it is in hadith - there is no 2.5 on what to give as charity that i can find in quran - and i have to agree at his logic to - how would those days would anyone know what 2.5% is to be??
Rememberence:
Most importantly however, is to Remember God always, because almost everything we do: (salat/zakat/pray/glorify/praise/thank/ask for forgivness/submit by following commandments) is to REMEMBER GOD!
As he stated " so Remember me, that i remember you..." (Quran 2:148)
i stumbled on a post http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602898.0 from someone who like me is searching on his journey to god alone and i am inspired.
i have not posted it all but taken that which i find inspiring
on submission.org and learned about the mathematical miracle of the number 19 in the Quran!
however, I branched off from submission.org, because i believed in the message of Rashad, which was to follow the Quran alone. - this has always been the message of Rashad - i believe - (since the Quran only states 3 names of prayer, and the 2.5% is totally not in the Quran but from tradition. Not to mention that it is illogical since most people did not even know simple math back then in the dark ages!!! how would they fair then with 1/40) i would have to agree with him as i can only find 3 salat mentioned in Quran too - and this 2.5 tax thing - i have never understood it - how we came at 2.5 which is not in the quran is amazing - i dont understand how in some parts we are asked to follow Quran alone - the Quran is complete and in some parts we take from hadith. (Another thing is the deletion of the two verse at the end of sura 9, which is hypocritical to God's decree of "no falsehood can enter into it!!!..." (41:42) (I like the free-minds explanation of sura 9 being a Law-decreeing sura (Muhkim) = featuring fighting)
*This is when it hits me when God tells us that he allows the devil to put falsehood in EVERY prophet/messenger he sends. God then leaves what the devil fabricated to be a test, and then rules with his Revelations/Words! - i have not even thought about this at all - so have nocomments on it
*Another good point for the submitters out there is that Rashad even stated in his great debate video something like ' if i tell you to do something that's not in the Quran, do NOT do it'. Thus again, confirming the message from God (Quran Alone), and debasing the errors of the human messenger, (even the Prophet Muhammed erred when he forbid something that was lawful to him in sura 66, thus human messengers do err!).
This is when i had to re-change my beliefs - i would not say this is a change in belief but rather a change in approach to prayer - belief is all about God - prayer is a worship requirement - again, from doing 5 salats to 3 salats.
During the 2yr period of my renaissance and cleaving to God, i became zealous and started to research my way into the Torah/Tanakh and the entire bible. This is when by God's grace, I found out that God's chosen religion (Submission/Abrahamic Monothiesm) has really been the same; the salat and zakat being the main components for the rememberance of God. While the laws and commandments differ (by God's leave) - i wholly agree with this rationale - as i have said so many times - belief in God salat and zakat are the three main tennents - why we want to forget that i dont know.
I even started to learn to read biblical Hebrew, and just found it absolutely fantastic to see the similarities between the Biblical Hebrew and the Quranic Arabic words.
Such an instance is when God calls moses out of the burning bush and tells him to take off his shoes, in Arabic "ya mosa inani ana allahu" and "f'Ekhla3 na3laik" and in Hebrew God states it as "moshe moshe h'inani..." and " Shel n3lekha m3l reglekha!" (Exodus 3:4 and Quran 27:9 & 20:12) (Such instances taken with great appreciation!)
By God's grace, i also found out the roots of the Salat and the Zakat fro the previous scriptures.
First to mention is Abraham prayed to God to make him one of those who do their Salats (Quran 14:40) and to show him the rights of his religion (Quran 2:128). Second, God tells the children of Israel in the Quran of his conditional support, "I am with you if you establish Salat, and Give the zakat....." (5:12), thus the children of Israel must have known how to do the salat and give the zakat! God then tells us that generations came by and LOST their salat! Quran 19:59) Hence:
Salat is equivilant of the Aramaic 'sloota' (Prayer) and the Hebrew Tfillah (prayer) or Amidah (standing prayer) Which is basically the 3 daily prayers: evening, morning, and noon (see psalm 55:17, Daniel 6:10, and the New Testament's times for prayer 3rth, 6th, and 9th hours, all of which shadow the Quran's 3 names of prayer (Dawn, evening, and middle prayer Quran 24:58 and 2:238)
Watch the Original Jewish Amidah (Standing Prayer)
salat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg i have just viewed this and it is awfully inspiring.
*Notice the similarities between the motions and the standard muslim movements,
see laws of the Amidah, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, 18:12 at http://www.yonanewman.org/kizzur/kizzur18.html#12
*Also see Abraham's explanation of prayer http://www.torah.org/learning/rambam/tf.html#
*it is also noteworthy to mention that the Amidah (standing prayer/Salat) has 19 Blessings to be recited! (can be found at http://www.hebrew4christians.com/) -
Zakat is equivilant to the Aebrew 'tzadakha' (charity) which is the 10% tithe throughout the Old testament AND the New testament). (i.e Abraham gives the priest MelechZedek 10%, Jacob vows a vow to give God 10%, God reprimands the children of Israel for not giving the 10% tithe). God changes this 10% tithe to the "the extra/Awf" that we have in 2:219 Quran)
i researched this before and i came across 10% too which is mentioned as tithe which is zakat i think - but i am inclined towards the excess rather than 10% and rather than 2.5 of which i can find no evidence other than some people saying it is in hadith - there is no 2.5 on what to give as charity that i can find in quran - and i have to agree at his logic to - how would those days would anyone know what 2.5% is to be??
Rememberence:
Most importantly however, is to Remember God always, because almost everything we do: (salat/zakat/pray/glorify/praise/thank/ask for forgivness/submit by following commandments) is to REMEMBER GOD!
As he stated " so Remember me, that i remember you..." (Quran 2:148)
Sunday, 18 September 2011
afraid...
i am afraid Lord, I am afraid...
i am afraid that just like those before us - we have become conditioned to find a new way and accept it despite the errors that we may see, despite the things which dont make sense - we just go on and dont question in the hope that further down the line a solution may arise.
but God, trust in thee alone i guess means questioning when something does not seem right - when we are asked to follow a little but of this and a little bit of that because we dont know the real reason or answer..
i am afraid Lord - for i dont know where it will end.
it is just like someone telling me that the Quran says we must translate the Quran into. languages and i challenged them to show me a verse that says that.
Fact is that i cannot find such verse that states in the Quran that the Quran should be traslated.
rather it is someones own logic that in order to preach the Quran one may need to translate it.
but we should never forget - Quran was revealed in Arabic - the issue with translation - any translation at all is that it is subjective to the translators own understanding and knowledge - rather i will advise people to research as many translations as they can find and God willing God will help with the understanding and finding the right context in which to relate to the verses.
this world my Lord i dont understand... i can only ask your help to guide me to thee - above all the falsehood that there is, above all the mediocrity that there is.. surely the Truth will reign over falsehood.
i am afraid that just like those before us - we have become conditioned to find a new way and accept it despite the errors that we may see, despite the things which dont make sense - we just go on and dont question in the hope that further down the line a solution may arise.
but God, trust in thee alone i guess means questioning when something does not seem right - when we are asked to follow a little but of this and a little bit of that because we dont know the real reason or answer..
i am afraid Lord - for i dont know where it will end.
it is just like someone telling me that the Quran says we must translate the Quran into. languages and i challenged them to show me a verse that says that.
Fact is that i cannot find such verse that states in the Quran that the Quran should be traslated.
rather it is someones own logic that in order to preach the Quran one may need to translate it.
but we should never forget - Quran was revealed in Arabic - the issue with translation - any translation at all is that it is subjective to the translators own understanding and knowledge - rather i will advise people to research as many translations as they can find and God willing God will help with the understanding and finding the right context in which to relate to the verses.
this world my Lord i dont understand... i can only ask your help to guide me to thee - above all the falsehood that there is, above all the mediocrity that there is.. surely the Truth will reign over falsehood.
Monday, 12 September 2011
Occams Razor - Salat Wusta
i learnt about this today - in relation to a post on fb - regarding some dispute or another ( as is the norm) regarding what is prohobited or not over food in the quran
I quote " Peace, I am a bit disappointed to see that this argument is still causing dispute amongst intelligent submitters. Occams Razor anyone?: "the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one." I know this does not always apply as it is a theory, but I think in most matters concerning Quranic verses, it happens to ring true. Why try to overcomplicate something that is so straightforward in th...e Quran it is mentioned twice in detail, one time just happens to be even more detailed than the other so as to leave little to NO dispute as to what foods are or are not prohibited. As soon as we start attacking others, writing Venn diagrams and essays to prove one moot point, it's time to take a step back and realize you've taken it too far. "We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?" [54:17,22,32,40] Easy, fellow submitters. Theres really no need to argue over this, keep it simple" end of quote
it is very interesting yo uknow - i need to expand more on this - but i had to note it down do i dont forget.
ok so the basic assumption from reading the above is that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one - and in some ways i have to agree with this.
once people start to invent complicated ways to explain an issue then there is something not quite right there.
the issue of three prayers can be highlighted in this instance. - yes the quran mentions three salats ( and when i say mentions - i mean it uses three names for the qualifying salat - salat fajr, salat isha and a salat wusta)
i have said that for some reason i am inclined to accept the proposition of three times for prayer as daily salat - nevertheless the question that i keep getting asked is so if there are three times for prayers - how many rakahs must we do for each one.
me i dont know the answer to this,
i only know that if we say we should follow the Quran alone - then let us do that in all totality.. it is not right to accept in part and seek to hadiths in some parts that which we cannot explain - especially if we say that hadiths cannot be relied upon. which means we leave it all out and dont use it to support any arguements or rationale that we may have.
i dont know why people keep asking how do we pray? because if using the Quran - the Quran advises that the act of salat constitutes of bowing and prostrating ( this is the general translation - please i dont have time for references - so check for yourselves.)its purpose if to glorify the creator - Lord of the universe -
it goes along the line that *call him God or Call him Ar-Rahman - to him belongs the most beautiful names" ( check the verses yourself -) it states not to utter salat too loud or quiet but use an intermediate tone ( so many peeps pull their pants on this - but in reality - remember !! that to each person what is loud or quiet is different - it is up to each person with God in remembrance to observe Him knowing that God and only God will judge him)
what also amazes me is that there is a directive ( when i write directive - i mean when a verse starts with Qul: which people translate as Say!! - this i believe is an instruction or guidance from God to us to respond to the many questions we may be asked or that we ask ourselves) this is suran 17:111 - it states along the lines of - "and say - Glory be to God who has never begotten a son, He does not need a partner in his kingship, neither does He need an ally out of weakness" - ( this part here i believe many people forget to add to their salat - for whatever reason i think its important) and magnify him constantly.
i keep getting asked - so what do we say during prayer and my reply is i dont know - for me the most likely answer is Praise your Creator.. why should we all be saying the same thing? the Quran has indicated whichever attribute/name you call God - it does not matter - to Him belongs the most wonderful attributes... so why must i call on God the same as you.. for example - I am very partial to the term Ar-Rahman - and alhamdulilahi Rabbi Alamin, and Subhanaka Lahuma as a term to magnify God during prayer - others are partial to Allahu Akbar??
i may change them depending on each prayer and what my heart calls out - for instance i may add the last part of ayat Qursiyu - Your dominion encompasses all there is in the heaven and earth and rulling them never burdens you in the slightest - you are the Almighty Most Wise..
it all depends...my soul is the one reaching out to its creator...
why cant we just praise, worship, Pray - why does there have to be a formula - ?? everyone says bismilahi - there is nothing wrong with that - its a wonderful way to start the link to God - it is all about God - asking for help, guidance..
i think that people want to know the intricate hows and whys but forget that worshipping God sometimes is not a one size fits all - the level of each our indiviaual beliefs cannot be the same - neither can the act of prayer - worshipping God is from your heart and your heart dictates how you accord your Creator -
the most important concepts in salat is detailed in the Quran - how each person recieves this is different - how much "pump" we put into our prayers cannot be the same - how much attention, focus and praise of God we want to offer cannot be the same - so why are people looking for uniformity in salat??
is this so they can have a level playing field? but really think about it... there is a level playing field - it is called righteousness!!.. it is then up to each person to decide for himself how much righteous they want to be bearing in mind that life circumstances - although on the over all basis are the same - in finer details they appear different .
i know those in support of three daily salat - use the bible as reference and they use a verse in daniel or something - where it is written ( pls check this for your self) " "And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded." (1 Samuel 20:41)"my criticism of this verse is that it is in no way indicative of three daily salat - it just says david bowed himself three times...
another verse from the bible used is
""As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me. Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice." (Psalms 55:16-17)"
on this i am inclined to accept - because i believe the worship of God is not a new thing.. on reading the Quran , i learn that worship practices were given to abraham, followed by all the prophets and messengers of God - Moses, Jesus, Solomon, David etc...
it is with interest to read that jews observe a three times daily prayer - evening, morning and afternoon - it is that simple...
and islam ( when i write islam - i mean the worship of God as per his scriptures - and in my world this includes unadultrated(translation or otherwise) torah, bible and Quran) started long long ago with Abraham - who advocated worshipping God alone..
the issue remains - if it is the three daily salat - then how did the 5 salat enter into the equations...
some people i have spoken with are quick to use a verse from the quran 5:48 to support that it is likely that jews may have three prayers but muslims are allowed or rather should i write can be allowed 5.
but i beg to differ - and i differ because my understanding of what i read in the Quran is that there are three tennents which are CRUCIAL to righteousness - which is belief, salat and charity. of these three tennents - there is no alternative, there is no get out clause, there is no other route.
please try and read my writeup re 5 pillar/3 pillar islam..
these three tennents are what binds all the major faiths together and these in my view is what worshipping God is all about...( its conviction from the heart and trust -BELIEF: keeping a link - SALAT: giving back - ZAKAT)
surah 98 is in my view a clear illustration of this - most notably surah 98:5
"All that was asked of them was to worship GOD, devoting the religion absolutely to Him alone, observe the contact prayers (Salat), and give the obligatory charity (Zakat). Such is the perfect religion"
this is a big big issue but nevertheless i am not bothered - whether you do three salat or 5 salat - i could not care less - we each all have to race towards righteousness - we all have levels of understanding and may God guide us in his path to reveal the TRUTH of his words to us.. to help us remove shackles imposed on us by our parents to help us to worhip him alone, and to accept the rites that he has decreed for us...
but i wont deny that i am inclined towards three as the simple evidence to me in Quran indicates 3.
Quick thought - stop using the Quran to justify everything that you have been taught - Look to the Quran with fresh eyes and God willing the truth will be manifest from falsehood... we are using the Quran to justify 5 times prayer - even though the names of 5 prayers are not there - only three names fajr, isha and wusta are joined with salat and timings are given.
where then did we get these names maghrib, zuhur, asr-
those with perpetual 19 madness - uses the quran to manipulate numbers as it suits them with regards to salat - but 19 phenomenon - in my view - does not account for everything about our worship practice - i
the following links i have read..
http://www.free-minds.org/salat-edip - interesting article from my view but i disagree witha few points - namely this issue of 2 prayers being likely to be preserved?? where does this rationalt come from?? go figure..
http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_3/prophet_and_3_prayers_(P1379).html - i find this very intresting. but largly based on hadiths and i dont buy into hadiths wether it supports my arguements or not..
http://www.mostmerciful.com/realities-of-our-daily-prayers--part-two.htm - this one i had to laugh out loud because am not sure how author arrived at maghrib - given that salat maghrib is not mentioned in Quran
http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/the_code_19_(P1203).html - this is a very interesting review - fo rthose who ate 19 fanatics and everything they see is 19 ( or as i would term it - is numbers manipulated by them to conform to a 19 status thing - )
+++++++++ this was taken from wikipedia on searching for it...
Jewish prayer (Hebrew: תְּפִלָּה, tefilláh; plural Hebrew: תְּפִלּוֹת, tefillos or tefillót; Yiddish תּפֿלה tfíle, plural תּפֿלות tfílles; Yinglish: davening from Yiddish דאַוונען davnen ‘to pray’) are the prayer recitations that form part of the observance of Judaism. These prayers, often with instructions and commentary, are found in the siddur, the traditional Jewish prayer book.
Traditionally, three prayer services are recited daily:
1.Shacharit or Shaharit (שַחֲרִת), from the Hebrew shachar or shahar (שַחָר) "morning light,"
2.Mincha or Minha (מִנְחָה), the afternoon prayers named for the flour offering that accompanied sacrifices at the Temple in Jerusalem,
3.Arvit (עַרְבִית) or Ma'ariv (מַעֲרִיב), from "nightfall."
Additional prayers:
•Musaf (מוּסָף, "additional") are recited by Orthodox and Conservative congregations on Shabbat, major Jewish holidays (including Chol HaMoed), and Rosh Chodesh.
•A fifth prayer service, Ne'ilah (נְעִילָה, "closing"), is recited only on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement.
According to the Talmud, prayer is a Biblical commandment[1] and the Talmud gives two reasons why there are three basic prayers: to recall the daily sacrifices at the Temple in Jerusalem, and/or because each of the Patriarchs instituted one prayer: Abraham the morning, Isaac the afternoon and Jacob the evening.[2] A distinction is made between individual prayer and communal prayer, which requires a quorum known as a minyan, with communal prayer being preferable as it permits the inclusion of prayers that otherwise must be omitted.
Maimonides (1135–1204 CE) relates that until the Babylonian exile (586 BCE), all Jews composed their own prayers, but thereafter the sages of the Great Assembly composed the main portions of the siddur.[3] Modern scholarship dating from the Wissenschaft des Judentums movement of 19th century Germany, as well as textual analysis influenced by the 20th Century discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, suggests that dating from this period there existed "liturgical formulations of a communal nature designated for particular occasions and conducted in a centre totally independent of Jerusalem and the Temple, making use of terminology and theological concepts that were later to become dominant in Jewish and, in some cases, Christian prayer."[4] The language of the prayers, while clearly from the Second Temple period[citation needed] (516 BCE–70 CE), often employs Biblical idiom. Jewish prayerbooks emerged during the early Middle Ages during the period of the Geonim of Babylonia (6th–11th Centuries CE)[5]
Origin and History of Jewish Prayer
Biblical origin
According to the Talmud (tractate Taanit 2a), prayer is a Biblical command: "'You shall serve God with your whole heart.' (Deuteronomy 11:13) What service is performed with the heart? This is prayer." The prayers are therefore referred to as Avodah sheba-Lev ("service that is in the heart"). The noted rabbi Maimonides likewise categorizes prayer as a Biblical command,[6] but believed that the number of prayers and their times are not.
The Talmud (tractate Berachoth 26b) gives two reasons why there are three basic prayers:
1.Each service was instituted parallel to a sacrificial act in the Temple in Jerusalem: the morning Tamid offering, the afternoon Tamid, and the overnight burning of this last offering.
2.According to one sage, each of the Patriarchs instituted one prayer: Abraham the morning, Isaac the afternoon and Jacob the evening prayers. This view is supported with Biblical quotes indicating that the Patriarchs prayed at the times mentioned. However, even according to this view, the exact times of when the services are held, and moreover the entire concept of a mussaf service, are still based on the sacrifices.
Additional Biblical references suggest that King David and the prophet Daniel prayed three times a day. In Psalms, David states: "Evening, morning and afternoon do I pray and cry, and He will hear my voice" (55:18). As in Daniel: "[...] his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he had done before" (6:11).
Judaism
In Judaism, the Tanakh and Talmudic texts as well as writings of Gaonim and Rishonim indicate that prostration was very common among Jewish communities until some point during the Middle Ages. In Mishneh Torah, the Rambam states full prostration (with one's body pressed flat to the earth) should be practiced at the end of the Amidah, recited thrice daily. Members of the Karaite denomination practice full prostrations during prayers. Ashkenazi Orthodox Jews prostrate during Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur as did Yemenite Jews during the Tachanun part of regular daily Jewish prayer until somewhat recently. Ethiopian Jews traditionally prostrated during a holiday specific to their community known as Sigd. Sigd comes from a root word meaning prostration in Amharic, Aramaic, and Arabic. There is a movement among Talmide haRambam to revive prostration as a regular part of daily Jewish worship.
psalm 55 king james version
1Give ear to my prayer, O God; and hide not thyself from my supplication.
2Attend unto me, and hear me: I mourn in my complaint, and make a noise;
3Because of the voice of the enemy, because of the oppression of the wicked: for they cast iniquity upon me, and in wrath they hate me.
4My heart is sore pained within me: and the terrors of death are fallen upon me.
5Fearfulness and trembling are come upon me, and horror hath overwhelmed me.
6And I said, Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at rest.
7Lo, then would I wander far off, and remain in the wilderness. Selah.
8I would hasten my escape from the windy storm and tempest.
9Destroy, O Lord, and divide their tongues: for I have seen violence and strife in the city.
10Day and night they go about it upon the walls thereof: mischief also and sorrow are in the midst of it.
11Wickedness is in the midst thereof: deceit and guile depart not from her streets.
12For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:
13But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.
14We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.
15Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
16As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
17Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
18He hath delivered my soul in peace from the battle that was against me: for there were many with me.
19God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God.
20He hath put forth his hands against such as be at peace with him: he hath broken his covenant.
21The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords.
22Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.
23But thou, O God, shalt bring them down into the pit of destruction: bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days; but I will trust in thee.
Daniel 6
Daniel 6
1It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;
2And over these three presidents; of whom Daniel was first: that the princes might give accounts unto them, and the king should have no damage.
3Then this Daniel was preferred above the presidents and princes, because an excellent spirit was in him; and the king thought to set him over the whole realm.
4Then the presidents and princes sought to find occasion against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find none occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.
5Then said these men, We shall not find any occasion against this Daniel, except we find it against him concerning the law of his God.
6Then these presidents and princes assembled together to the king, and said thus unto him, King Darius, live for ever.
7All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.
8Now, O king, establish the decree, and sign the writing, that it be not changed, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.
9Wherefore king Darius signed the writing and the decree.
10Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.
11Then these men assembled, and found Daniel praying and making supplication before his God.
12Then they came near, and spake before the king concerning the king's decree; Hast thou not signed a decree, that every man that shall ask a petition of any God or man within thirty days, save of thee, O king, shall be cast into the den of lions? The king answered and said, The thing is true, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.
13Then answered they and said before the king, That Daniel, which is of the children of the captivity of Judah, regardeth not thee, O king, nor the decree that thou hast signed, but maketh his petition three times a day.
14Then the king, when he heard these words, was sore displeased with himself, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him: and he laboured till the going down of the sun to deliver him.
15Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.
16Then the king commanded, and they brought Daniel, and cast him into the den of lions. Now the king spake and said unto Daniel, Thy God whom thou servest continually, he will deliver thee.
17And a stone was brought, and laid upon the mouth of the den; and the king sealed it with his own signet, and with the signet of his lords; that the purpose might not be changed concerning Daniel.
18Then the king went to his palace, and passed the night fasting: neither were instruments of musick brought before him: and his sleep went from him.
19Then the king arose very early in the morning, and went in haste unto the den of lions.
20And when he came to the den, he cried with a lamentable voice unto Daniel: and the king spake and said to Daniel, O Daniel, servant of the living God, is thy God, whom thou servest continually, able to deliver thee from the lions?
21Then said Daniel unto the king, O king, live for ever.
22My God hath sent his angel, and hath shut the lions' mouths, that they have not hurt me: forasmuch as before him innocency was found in me; and also before thee, O king, have I done no hurt.
23Then was the king exceedingly glad for him, and commanded that they should take Daniel up out of the den. So Daniel was taken up out of the den, and no manner of hurt was found upon him, because he believed in his God.
24And the king commanded, and they brought those men which had accused Daniel, and they cast them into the den of lions, them, their children, and their wives; and the lions had the mastery of them, and brake all their bones in pieces or ever they came at the bottom of the den.
25Then king Darius wrote unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you.
26I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.
27He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions.
28So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, and in the reign of Cyrus the Persian.
1 king 8
54And it was so, that when Solomon had made an end of praying all this prayer and supplication unto the LORD, he arose from before the altar of the LORD, from kneeling on his knees with his hands spread up to heaven.
55And he stood, and blessed all the congregation of Israel with a loud voice, saying,
56Blessed be the LORD, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant.
57The LORD our God be with us, as he was with our fathers: let him not leave us, nor forsake us:
58That he may incline our hearts unto him, to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and his statutes, and his judgments, which he commanded our fathers.
59And let these my words, wherewith I have made supplication before the LORD, be nigh unto the LORD our God day and night, that he maintain the cause of his servant, and the cause of his people Israel at all times, as the matter shall require:
60That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.
61Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.
62And the king, and all Israel with him, offered sacrifice before the LORD.
as with everything my Lord, I beg your forgiveness and seek your guidance in this life and the next. All Praise is due to you in this life and the hereafter.. Be thou Glorified my Lord
I quote " Peace, I am a bit disappointed to see that this argument is still causing dispute amongst intelligent submitters. Occams Razor anyone?: "the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one." I know this does not always apply as it is a theory, but I think in most matters concerning Quranic verses, it happens to ring true. Why try to overcomplicate something that is so straightforward in th...e Quran it is mentioned twice in detail, one time just happens to be even more detailed than the other so as to leave little to NO dispute as to what foods are or are not prohibited. As soon as we start attacking others, writing Venn diagrams and essays to prove one moot point, it's time to take a step back and realize you've taken it too far. "We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?" [54:17,22,32,40] Easy, fellow submitters. Theres really no need to argue over this, keep it simple" end of quote
it is very interesting yo uknow - i need to expand more on this - but i had to note it down do i dont forget.
ok so the basic assumption from reading the above is that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one - and in some ways i have to agree with this.
once people start to invent complicated ways to explain an issue then there is something not quite right there.
the issue of three prayers can be highlighted in this instance. - yes the quran mentions three salats ( and when i say mentions - i mean it uses three names for the qualifying salat - salat fajr, salat isha and a salat wusta)
i have said that for some reason i am inclined to accept the proposition of three times for prayer as daily salat - nevertheless the question that i keep getting asked is so if there are three times for prayers - how many rakahs must we do for each one.
me i dont know the answer to this,
i only know that if we say we should follow the Quran alone - then let us do that in all totality.. it is not right to accept in part and seek to hadiths in some parts that which we cannot explain - especially if we say that hadiths cannot be relied upon. which means we leave it all out and dont use it to support any arguements or rationale that we may have.
i dont know why people keep asking how do we pray? because if using the Quran - the Quran advises that the act of salat constitutes of bowing and prostrating ( this is the general translation - please i dont have time for references - so check for yourselves.)its purpose if to glorify the creator - Lord of the universe -
it goes along the line that *call him God or Call him Ar-Rahman - to him belongs the most beautiful names" ( check the verses yourself -) it states not to utter salat too loud or quiet but use an intermediate tone ( so many peeps pull their pants on this - but in reality - remember !! that to each person what is loud or quiet is different - it is up to each person with God in remembrance to observe Him knowing that God and only God will judge him)
what also amazes me is that there is a directive ( when i write directive - i mean when a verse starts with Qul: which people translate as Say!! - this i believe is an instruction or guidance from God to us to respond to the many questions we may be asked or that we ask ourselves) this is suran 17:111 - it states along the lines of - "and say - Glory be to God who has never begotten a son, He does not need a partner in his kingship, neither does He need an ally out of weakness" - ( this part here i believe many people forget to add to their salat - for whatever reason i think its important) and magnify him constantly.
i keep getting asked - so what do we say during prayer and my reply is i dont know - for me the most likely answer is Praise your Creator.. why should we all be saying the same thing? the Quran has indicated whichever attribute/name you call God - it does not matter - to Him belongs the most wonderful attributes... so why must i call on God the same as you.. for example - I am very partial to the term Ar-Rahman - and alhamdulilahi Rabbi Alamin, and Subhanaka Lahuma as a term to magnify God during prayer - others are partial to Allahu Akbar??
i may change them depending on each prayer and what my heart calls out - for instance i may add the last part of ayat Qursiyu - Your dominion encompasses all there is in the heaven and earth and rulling them never burdens you in the slightest - you are the Almighty Most Wise..
it all depends...my soul is the one reaching out to its creator...
why cant we just praise, worship, Pray - why does there have to be a formula - ?? everyone says bismilahi - there is nothing wrong with that - its a wonderful way to start the link to God - it is all about God - asking for help, guidance..
i think that people want to know the intricate hows and whys but forget that worshipping God sometimes is not a one size fits all - the level of each our indiviaual beliefs cannot be the same - neither can the act of prayer - worshipping God is from your heart and your heart dictates how you accord your Creator -
the most important concepts in salat is detailed in the Quran - how each person recieves this is different - how much "pump" we put into our prayers cannot be the same - how much attention, focus and praise of God we want to offer cannot be the same - so why are people looking for uniformity in salat??
is this so they can have a level playing field? but really think about it... there is a level playing field - it is called righteousness!!.. it is then up to each person to decide for himself how much righteous they want to be bearing in mind that life circumstances - although on the over all basis are the same - in finer details they appear different .
i know those in support of three daily salat - use the bible as reference and they use a verse in daniel or something - where it is written ( pls check this for your self) " "And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded." (1 Samuel 20:41)"my criticism of this verse is that it is in no way indicative of three daily salat - it just says david bowed himself three times...
another verse from the bible used is
""As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me. Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice." (Psalms 55:16-17)"
on this i am inclined to accept - because i believe the worship of God is not a new thing.. on reading the Quran , i learn that worship practices were given to abraham, followed by all the prophets and messengers of God - Moses, Jesus, Solomon, David etc...
it is with interest to read that jews observe a three times daily prayer - evening, morning and afternoon - it is that simple...
and islam ( when i write islam - i mean the worship of God as per his scriptures - and in my world this includes unadultrated(translation or otherwise) torah, bible and Quran) started long long ago with Abraham - who advocated worshipping God alone..
the issue remains - if it is the three daily salat - then how did the 5 salat enter into the equations...
some people i have spoken with are quick to use a verse from the quran 5:48 to support that it is likely that jews may have three prayers but muslims are allowed or rather should i write can be allowed 5.
but i beg to differ - and i differ because my understanding of what i read in the Quran is that there are three tennents which are CRUCIAL to righteousness - which is belief, salat and charity. of these three tennents - there is no alternative, there is no get out clause, there is no other route.
please try and read my writeup re 5 pillar/3 pillar islam..
these three tennents are what binds all the major faiths together and these in my view is what worshipping God is all about...( its conviction from the heart and trust -BELIEF: keeping a link - SALAT: giving back - ZAKAT)
surah 98 is in my view a clear illustration of this - most notably surah 98:5
"All that was asked of them was to worship GOD, devoting the religion absolutely to Him alone, observe the contact prayers (Salat), and give the obligatory charity (Zakat). Such is the perfect religion"
this is a big big issue but nevertheless i am not bothered - whether you do three salat or 5 salat - i could not care less - we each all have to race towards righteousness - we all have levels of understanding and may God guide us in his path to reveal the TRUTH of his words to us.. to help us remove shackles imposed on us by our parents to help us to worhip him alone, and to accept the rites that he has decreed for us...
but i wont deny that i am inclined towards three as the simple evidence to me in Quran indicates 3.
Quick thought - stop using the Quran to justify everything that you have been taught - Look to the Quran with fresh eyes and God willing the truth will be manifest from falsehood... we are using the Quran to justify 5 times prayer - even though the names of 5 prayers are not there - only three names fajr, isha and wusta are joined with salat and timings are given.
where then did we get these names maghrib, zuhur, asr-
those with perpetual 19 madness - uses the quran to manipulate numbers as it suits them with regards to salat - but 19 phenomenon - in my view - does not account for everything about our worship practice - i
the following links i have read..
http://www.free-minds.org/salat-edip - interesting article from my view but i disagree witha few points - namely this issue of 2 prayers being likely to be preserved?? where does this rationalt come from?? go figure..
http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_3/prophet_and_3_prayers_(P1379).html - i find this very intresting. but largly based on hadiths and i dont buy into hadiths wether it supports my arguements or not..
http://www.mostmerciful.com/realities-of-our-daily-prayers--part-two.htm - this one i had to laugh out loud because am not sure how author arrived at maghrib - given that salat maghrib is not mentioned in Quran
http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/the_code_19_(P1203).html - this is a very interesting review - fo rthose who ate 19 fanatics and everything they see is 19 ( or as i would term it - is numbers manipulated by them to conform to a 19 status thing - )
+++++++++ this was taken from wikipedia on searching for it...
Jewish prayer (Hebrew: תְּפִלָּה, tefilláh; plural Hebrew: תְּפִלּוֹת, tefillos or tefillót; Yiddish תּפֿלה tfíle, plural תּפֿלות tfílles; Yinglish: davening from Yiddish דאַוונען davnen ‘to pray’) are the prayer recitations that form part of the observance of Judaism. These prayers, often with instructions and commentary, are found in the siddur, the traditional Jewish prayer book.
Traditionally, three prayer services are recited daily:
1.Shacharit or Shaharit (שַחֲרִת), from the Hebrew shachar or shahar (שַחָר) "morning light,"
2.Mincha or Minha (מִנְחָה), the afternoon prayers named for the flour offering that accompanied sacrifices at the Temple in Jerusalem,
3.Arvit (עַרְבִית) or Ma'ariv (מַעֲרִיב), from "nightfall."
Additional prayers:
•Musaf (מוּסָף, "additional") are recited by Orthodox and Conservative congregations on Shabbat, major Jewish holidays (including Chol HaMoed), and Rosh Chodesh.
•A fifth prayer service, Ne'ilah (נְעִילָה, "closing"), is recited only on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement.
According to the Talmud, prayer is a Biblical commandment[1] and the Talmud gives two reasons why there are three basic prayers: to recall the daily sacrifices at the Temple in Jerusalem, and/or because each of the Patriarchs instituted one prayer: Abraham the morning, Isaac the afternoon and Jacob the evening.[2] A distinction is made between individual prayer and communal prayer, which requires a quorum known as a minyan, with communal prayer being preferable as it permits the inclusion of prayers that otherwise must be omitted.
Maimonides (1135–1204 CE) relates that until the Babylonian exile (586 BCE), all Jews composed their own prayers, but thereafter the sages of the Great Assembly composed the main portions of the siddur.[3] Modern scholarship dating from the Wissenschaft des Judentums movement of 19th century Germany, as well as textual analysis influenced by the 20th Century discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, suggests that dating from this period there existed "liturgical formulations of a communal nature designated for particular occasions and conducted in a centre totally independent of Jerusalem and the Temple, making use of terminology and theological concepts that were later to become dominant in Jewish and, in some cases, Christian prayer."[4] The language of the prayers, while clearly from the Second Temple period[citation needed] (516 BCE–70 CE), often employs Biblical idiom. Jewish prayerbooks emerged during the early Middle Ages during the period of the Geonim of Babylonia (6th–11th Centuries CE)[5]
Origin and History of Jewish Prayer
Biblical origin
According to the Talmud (tractate Taanit 2a), prayer is a Biblical command: "'You shall serve God with your whole heart.' (Deuteronomy 11:13) What service is performed with the heart? This is prayer." The prayers are therefore referred to as Avodah sheba-Lev ("service that is in the heart"). The noted rabbi Maimonides likewise categorizes prayer as a Biblical command,[6] but believed that the number of prayers and their times are not.
The Talmud (tractate Berachoth 26b) gives two reasons why there are three basic prayers:
1.Each service was instituted parallel to a sacrificial act in the Temple in Jerusalem: the morning Tamid offering, the afternoon Tamid, and the overnight burning of this last offering.
2.According to one sage, each of the Patriarchs instituted one prayer: Abraham the morning, Isaac the afternoon and Jacob the evening prayers. This view is supported with Biblical quotes indicating that the Patriarchs prayed at the times mentioned. However, even according to this view, the exact times of when the services are held, and moreover the entire concept of a mussaf service, are still based on the sacrifices.
Additional Biblical references suggest that King David and the prophet Daniel prayed three times a day. In Psalms, David states: "Evening, morning and afternoon do I pray and cry, and He will hear my voice" (55:18). As in Daniel: "[...] his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he had done before" (6:11).
Judaism
In Judaism, the Tanakh and Talmudic texts as well as writings of Gaonim and Rishonim indicate that prostration was very common among Jewish communities until some point during the Middle Ages. In Mishneh Torah, the Rambam states full prostration (with one's body pressed flat to the earth) should be practiced at the end of the Amidah, recited thrice daily. Members of the Karaite denomination practice full prostrations during prayers. Ashkenazi Orthodox Jews prostrate during Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur as did Yemenite Jews during the Tachanun part of regular daily Jewish prayer until somewhat recently. Ethiopian Jews traditionally prostrated during a holiday specific to their community known as Sigd. Sigd comes from a root word meaning prostration in Amharic, Aramaic, and Arabic. There is a movement among Talmide haRambam to revive prostration as a regular part of daily Jewish worship.
psalm 55 king james version
1Give ear to my prayer, O God; and hide not thyself from my supplication.
2Attend unto me, and hear me: I mourn in my complaint, and make a noise;
3Because of the voice of the enemy, because of the oppression of the wicked: for they cast iniquity upon me, and in wrath they hate me.
4My heart is sore pained within me: and the terrors of death are fallen upon me.
5Fearfulness and trembling are come upon me, and horror hath overwhelmed me.
6And I said, Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at rest.
7Lo, then would I wander far off, and remain in the wilderness. Selah.
8I would hasten my escape from the windy storm and tempest.
9Destroy, O Lord, and divide their tongues: for I have seen violence and strife in the city.
10Day and night they go about it upon the walls thereof: mischief also and sorrow are in the midst of it.
11Wickedness is in the midst thereof: deceit and guile depart not from her streets.
12For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:
13But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.
14We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.
15Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
16As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
17Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
18He hath delivered my soul in peace from the battle that was against me: for there were many with me.
19God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God.
20He hath put forth his hands against such as be at peace with him: he hath broken his covenant.
21The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords.
22Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.
23But thou, O God, shalt bring them down into the pit of destruction: bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days; but I will trust in thee.
Daniel 6
Daniel 6
1It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;
2And over these three presidents; of whom Daniel was first: that the princes might give accounts unto them, and the king should have no damage.
3Then this Daniel was preferred above the presidents and princes, because an excellent spirit was in him; and the king thought to set him over the whole realm.
4Then the presidents and princes sought to find occasion against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find none occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.
5Then said these men, We shall not find any occasion against this Daniel, except we find it against him concerning the law of his God.
6Then these presidents and princes assembled together to the king, and said thus unto him, King Darius, live for ever.
7All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.
8Now, O king, establish the decree, and sign the writing, that it be not changed, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.
9Wherefore king Darius signed the writing and the decree.
10Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.
11Then these men assembled, and found Daniel praying and making supplication before his God.
12Then they came near, and spake before the king concerning the king's decree; Hast thou not signed a decree, that every man that shall ask a petition of any God or man within thirty days, save of thee, O king, shall be cast into the den of lions? The king answered and said, The thing is true, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.
13Then answered they and said before the king, That Daniel, which is of the children of the captivity of Judah, regardeth not thee, O king, nor the decree that thou hast signed, but maketh his petition three times a day.
14Then the king, when he heard these words, was sore displeased with himself, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him: and he laboured till the going down of the sun to deliver him.
15Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.
16Then the king commanded, and they brought Daniel, and cast him into the den of lions. Now the king spake and said unto Daniel, Thy God whom thou servest continually, he will deliver thee.
17And a stone was brought, and laid upon the mouth of the den; and the king sealed it with his own signet, and with the signet of his lords; that the purpose might not be changed concerning Daniel.
18Then the king went to his palace, and passed the night fasting: neither were instruments of musick brought before him: and his sleep went from him.
19Then the king arose very early in the morning, and went in haste unto the den of lions.
20And when he came to the den, he cried with a lamentable voice unto Daniel: and the king spake and said to Daniel, O Daniel, servant of the living God, is thy God, whom thou servest continually, able to deliver thee from the lions?
21Then said Daniel unto the king, O king, live for ever.
22My God hath sent his angel, and hath shut the lions' mouths, that they have not hurt me: forasmuch as before him innocency was found in me; and also before thee, O king, have I done no hurt.
23Then was the king exceedingly glad for him, and commanded that they should take Daniel up out of the den. So Daniel was taken up out of the den, and no manner of hurt was found upon him, because he believed in his God.
24And the king commanded, and they brought those men which had accused Daniel, and they cast them into the den of lions, them, their children, and their wives; and the lions had the mastery of them, and brake all their bones in pieces or ever they came at the bottom of the den.
25Then king Darius wrote unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you.
26I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.
27He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions.
28So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, and in the reign of Cyrus the Persian.
1 king 8
54And it was so, that when Solomon had made an end of praying all this prayer and supplication unto the LORD, he arose from before the altar of the LORD, from kneeling on his knees with his hands spread up to heaven.
55And he stood, and blessed all the congregation of Israel with a loud voice, saying,
56Blessed be the LORD, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant.
57The LORD our God be with us, as he was with our fathers: let him not leave us, nor forsake us:
58That he may incline our hearts unto him, to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and his statutes, and his judgments, which he commanded our fathers.
59And let these my words, wherewith I have made supplication before the LORD, be nigh unto the LORD our God day and night, that he maintain the cause of his servant, and the cause of his people Israel at all times, as the matter shall require:
60That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.
61Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.
62And the king, and all Israel with him, offered sacrifice before the LORD.
as with everything my Lord, I beg your forgiveness and seek your guidance in this life and the next. All Praise is due to you in this life and the hereafter.. Be thou Glorified my Lord
Wednesday, 7 September 2011
A thought - Systemic abuse of allahu akbar
i strugle to find correlation which this phrase as a choice for some for using to magnify God in relation to surah 17:110-111
for some time now i have been thinking about this phrase that so many people use in prayer to God.
Allahu Akbar.
translation - God is the Greatest.. or God is Greater
it is used as a call to prayer,
it is used to magnify God
it is used as a celebratory cry of praise.
now adays, with all the troubles in the world - i wonder and i have been wondering for some time now that this phrase Allahu akbar is abused by many.
i guess it is used to justify any act by the perpertrator, not knowing if it is right or wrong.
you find the terrorists who shout allahu akbar - when in my view that is - the unjustly blow up buildings and kill innocent people.
you find those oppressed shouting allahu akbar when they are trying to rid themselves of opression and at the same time - in my view - agress against their limits of ridding opression.
you find the hypocrites - i too may be one of them - shouting allahu akbar when in congrregation with others, i feel they dont even think clearly about the word and the connotation behind it.
i cannot find in the Quran where is says Allahu akbar as a word together - i may not be looking correctly - except in 29:45 - in
"wa la zikru llahi akbar"... towards the end of the verse and whose rough
translation can be as - rememberance of God
so where did we get this phrase from?
in relation to a call for prayer - i guess it is from verse 17:111 - where the last part of that verse is
" wa kabiru takbiran"
translated roughly as and magnify him greatly
from history - i remember something about the first person to call to prayer being the slave bilal - i dont know if this is right or wrong though - going by the many hadiths which are baseless and cannot be verified.
but given that the worship of God is not a new thing - ~Salat is not a new thing but was prescribed by God as a way of attaining salvation which started from Abraham passed down the prophets and messengers - then i guess - how accurate is this?
Quran - 17:111
Khalifa
And proclaim: "Praise be to GOD, who has never begotten a son, nor does He have a partner in His kingship, nor does He need any ally out of weakness," and magnify Him constantly.
Yusuf Ali
Say: "Praise be to God, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion: Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation: yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!"
Pickthal
And say: Praise be to Allah, Who hath not taken unto Himself a son, and Who hath no partner in the Sovereignty, nor hath He any protecting friend through dependence. And magnify Him with all magnificence.
Shakir
And say: (All) praise is due to Allah, Who has not taken a son and Who has not a partner in the kingdom, and Who has not a helper to save Him from disgrace; and proclaim His greatness magnifying (Him).
Sher Ali
And say, `All praise belongs to Allah who has taken unto Himself no son, and who has no partner in HIS kingdom, nor has HE anyone to help HIM because of any weakness of HIS.' And proclaim HIS greatness, glorifying HIM.
"Progressive Muslims"
And say: "Praise be to God who Has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." And glorify Him greatly.
Reformist translation
Say, "Praise is to God, who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." Glorify Him
Quran - 29:45
Khalifa
You shall recite what is revealed to you of the scripture, and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), for the Contact Prayers prohibit evil and vice. But the remembrance of GOD (through Salat) is the most important objective. GOD knows everything you do.
Yusuf Ali
Recite what is sent of the Book by inspiration to thee, and establish regular Prayer: for Prayer restrains from shameful and unjust deeds; and remembrance of God is the greatest (thing in life) without doubt. And God knows the (deeds) that ye do.
Pickthal
Recite that which hath been inspired in thee of the Scripture, and establish worship. Lo! worship preserveth from lewdness and iniquity, but verily remembrance of Allah is more important. And Allah knoweth what ye do.
Shakir
Recite that which has been revealed to you of the Book and keep up prayer; surely prayer keeps (one) away from indecency and evil, and certainly the remembrance of Allah is the greatest, and Allah knows what you do.
Sher Ali
Recite that which has been revealed of the Book and observe Prayer. Surely, Prayer restrains one from indecency and manifest evil; and the remembrance of Allah is the greatest virtue. And Allah knows what you do.
not that it matters at all - but i am thinking of this for some time... the way i remember the verse 17:110 - call him God or Call him Ar-Rahman, to God belings the most beautiful names...
May God guide us to his path, and save us from the retribution of the hell fire.
to God belongs the best of all praise.
for some time now i have been thinking about this phrase that so many people use in prayer to God.
Allahu Akbar.
translation - God is the Greatest.. or God is Greater
it is used as a call to prayer,
it is used to magnify God
it is used as a celebratory cry of praise.
now adays, with all the troubles in the world - i wonder and i have been wondering for some time now that this phrase Allahu akbar is abused by many.
i guess it is used to justify any act by the perpertrator, not knowing if it is right or wrong.
you find the terrorists who shout allahu akbar - when in my view that is - the unjustly blow up buildings and kill innocent people.
you find those oppressed shouting allahu akbar when they are trying to rid themselves of opression and at the same time - in my view - agress against their limits of ridding opression.
you find the hypocrites - i too may be one of them - shouting allahu akbar when in congrregation with others, i feel they dont even think clearly about the word and the connotation behind it.
i cannot find in the Quran where is says Allahu akbar as a word together - i may not be looking correctly - except in 29:45 - in
"wa la zikru llahi akbar"... towards the end of the verse and whose rough
translation can be as - rememberance of God
so where did we get this phrase from?
in relation to a call for prayer - i guess it is from verse 17:111 - where the last part of that verse is
" wa kabiru takbiran"
translated roughly as and magnify him greatly
from history - i remember something about the first person to call to prayer being the slave bilal - i dont know if this is right or wrong though - going by the many hadiths which are baseless and cannot be verified.
but given that the worship of God is not a new thing - ~Salat is not a new thing but was prescribed by God as a way of attaining salvation which started from Abraham passed down the prophets and messengers - then i guess - how accurate is this?
Quran - 17:111
Khalifa
And proclaim: "Praise be to GOD, who has never begotten a son, nor does He have a partner in His kingship, nor does He need any ally out of weakness," and magnify Him constantly.
Yusuf Ali
Say: "Praise be to God, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion: Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation: yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!"
Pickthal
And say: Praise be to Allah, Who hath not taken unto Himself a son, and Who hath no partner in the Sovereignty, nor hath He any protecting friend through dependence. And magnify Him with all magnificence.
Shakir
And say: (All) praise is due to Allah, Who has not taken a son and Who has not a partner in the kingdom, and Who has not a helper to save Him from disgrace; and proclaim His greatness magnifying (Him).
Sher Ali
And say, `All praise belongs to Allah who has taken unto Himself no son, and who has no partner in HIS kingdom, nor has HE anyone to help HIM because of any weakness of HIS.' And proclaim HIS greatness, glorifying HIM.
"Progressive Muslims"
And say: "Praise be to God who Has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." And glorify Him greatly.
Reformist translation
Say, "Praise is to God, who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." Glorify Him
Quran - 29:45
Khalifa
You shall recite what is revealed to you of the scripture, and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), for the Contact Prayers prohibit evil and vice. But the remembrance of GOD (through Salat) is the most important objective. GOD knows everything you do.
Yusuf Ali
Recite what is sent of the Book by inspiration to thee, and establish regular Prayer: for Prayer restrains from shameful and unjust deeds; and remembrance of God is the greatest (thing in life) without doubt. And God knows the (deeds) that ye do.
Pickthal
Recite that which hath been inspired in thee of the Scripture, and establish worship. Lo! worship preserveth from lewdness and iniquity, but verily remembrance of Allah is more important. And Allah knoweth what ye do.
Shakir
Recite that which has been revealed to you of the Book and keep up prayer; surely prayer keeps (one) away from indecency and evil, and certainly the remembrance of Allah is the greatest, and Allah knows what you do.
Sher Ali
Recite that which has been revealed of the Book and observe Prayer. Surely, Prayer restrains one from indecency and manifest evil; and the remembrance of Allah is the greatest virtue. And Allah knows what you do.
"Progressive Muslims"
Recite what is inspired to you of the Scripture, and hold the assembly; for the assembly prohibits evil and vice, and the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.
Recite what is inspired to you of the Scripture, and hold the assembly; for the assembly prohibits evil and vice, and the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.
"Reformist Translation"
Recite what is inspired to you of the book, and hold the contact prayer; for the contact prayer prohibits evil and vice,and the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.*
Recite what is inspired to you of the book, and hold the contact prayer; for the contact prayer prohibits evil and vice,and the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.*
not that it matters at all - but i am thinking of this for some time... the way i remember the verse 17:110 - call him God or Call him Ar-Rahman, to God belings the most beautiful names...
May God guide us to his path, and save us from the retribution of the hell fire.
to God belongs the best of all praise.
Sceptical on Ha Patcha.... 2:42 Do not confound truth with falsehood
there is this i found in a submitters perspective? Jan 2004
We know that the Christian’s Lord’s prayer is very similar in content to “The Key.” As a model of prayer, every Christian learns it by heart. During a trip to Jakarta, Indonesia, brother Gatut has come across an opening prayer practiced by the Diaspora Christian denomination. The prayer is called Ha Patchah. He found it very interesting that these Christians seem to have adopted many of the ancient Jewish practices in their rituals along with the Lord’s Prayer. These observations confirm the Quranic accounts that all these prayers came from Abraham's ancient practice taught by God.
The Key (Al-Fatehah) - Khalifa translation
[1:1] In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
[1:2] Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe.
[1:3] Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
[1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1:5] You alone we worship; You alone we ask for help.
[1:6] Guide us in the right path;
[1:7] the path of those whom You blessed; not of those who have deserved wrath, nor of the strayers.
HA PATCHAH
(THE OPENING PRAYER)
BE SHEM ELAH HA RAHAMIM
In the name of God, the Most Gracious (Ezr.5:1; Dan.9:9)
T’HILAH L’ELOHEINU RIBOHN HA-OLAMIM
All praise be to God, Lord of the universe (Jewish liturgy)
HA RAHAMIM
The Most Gracious (Dan.9:9)
MELEK YOM HA DIN
Master of the Day of Judgment (Jewish terminology)
ELEKHA ADONAY EQARA WE EL ADONAY ET HANAN
To you, O Lord, I implore – and to my Lord I seek help (Psalm 30:9)
HEHENI BE ORACH MISHOR
Guide us in the straight path (Psalm 27:11)
ALEKHET BE DEREHU WE LEYAREH ITTO
The way of life according to His path by reverencing Him (Deut 8:6)
LE HALAK BE ETSAH RISHAH WE LA SAGHAH
Not by the advice of the cursed, nor of the strayers (Psalm 119:21)
Reference Verses from Torah and Hebrew transliteration:
B’shem elah yisrael aleihohn (Ezr.5:1).
In the name of the God of Israel
L’Adonai Eloheinu harachamim (Dan.9:9)
Unto Adonai our God the merciful
Eilechah Adonai ekra v’el-Adonai et-chanan (Psalm 30:9)
Unto You Adonai I called and unto Adonai I implored
Horeini Adonai darchechah u-n’cheini b’orach mishor. (Psalm 27:11)
Teach me, Adonai, your way and guide me (lit. make me right) on your straight path.
(Shamartah et-mitzvot Adonai elohechah) lalechet bi’darchav u-l’yirah otoh (Deut 8:6)
(Keep/Guard God’s commandments so that) you will walk (lit. to walk) in His paths and so that you will fear (lit. to fear; to be in awe of) Him
Ga-artah zeidim arurim hashogim mi-mitzvotechah (Psalm 119:21)
You have rebuked the insolent, accursed sinners who have strayed from Your commandments
[Ed’s note: Many thanks to brother Gatut of Indonesia for providing the information on Ha Patchah, and sister Betsy of Jewish Congregation Or Chadash for checking the prayer for accuracy in Hebrew and for providing the Hebrew transliteration of the referenced verses from Torah.]
Questions that raises up in me
1 - i googled "ha patcha" and i cannot find any reference to it other than what is posted from the submission site. has this been verified as being true - or are we just wanting to believe in wishful thinking??
2 - is this a prayer or something a group of people put together to praise God.
3 - they say it is a jewish prayer - but it was said by a " dispora christain
denomination" - who are they exactly - more information needs to be provided about them.
4 - a look at the verses one can see outright that they are not a follow through but rather are a mix up of verses from the old testament to make up what resembles fatiha in Quran -
let us call a spade a spade - i will question openly the authenticity of this "discovery"
one has to look at the psalms and the jewish prayer book to note that though this ha patcha - said in jewish is a compilation of prayer( a pick and mix of words to suit whatever purpose for whomever) - for me , unless more information comes to light - i am not at liberty to agree that is is a prayer passed down but rather it is an attempt to compile verses to resemble fatiha of the Quran.
i will invite everyone to pick up the bible old testament and find out the verses quoted and verify themselves - they are not direct verses by any accounts - but phrases taken out of verses and then compiled into this "ha patcha"
I.E - ezra 5:1 using the KJV reads - "Then the prophets, Haggai the prophet, and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophesied unto the Jews that were in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of Israel, even unto them" ( we can see that in the name of the God of Isreal - a phrase has been taken out of the whole text)
daniel 9:9 using the KJV reads - "To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him." ( same thing as above comment)
Psalm 30:9 using KJV reads - "What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth" ( i think what they are trying touse of psalm 30:8 which reads -I cried to thee, O LORD; and unto the LORD I made supplication)
Psalm 27:11 using KJV reads - "Teach me thy way, O LORD, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies."
Deuteronomy 8:6 using KJV reads - "Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him. "
Psalm 119:21 using KJV reads - "Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, which do err from thy commandments."
i thought truth seekers were above all that - taking a phrase or word out of context and using it to manipulate whatever idea/notion they want to convince others about.
God does not need anyone to prove His existence and His authority - He is High above all that - his truth will always Prevail.
Truth will prevail and falsehood will vanish - surely falsehood will inevitably vanish!!!
Remember - 17:36
Khalifa - You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.
Yusuf Ali - And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
Pickthal - (O man), follow not that whereof thou hast no knowledge. Lo! the hearing and the sight and the heart - of each of these it will be asked.
Shakir - And follow not that of which you have not the knowledge; surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that.
Sher Ali - And follow not that of which thou hast no knowledge. Verily, the ear and the eye and the heart - all these shall be called to account.
"Progressive Muslims" - And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for.
Reformist Translation - Do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing,
eyesight, and mind, all these are held responsible for that.*
May God guide us in His truth and help us to worship Him alone - Ihidina siratal mustaqim.
( funny thing just crossed my mind - lol - everyone says this done we - how do we know those who are guided? really God help us all)
We know that the Christian’s Lord’s prayer is very similar in content to “The Key.” As a model of prayer, every Christian learns it by heart. During a trip to Jakarta, Indonesia, brother Gatut has come across an opening prayer practiced by the Diaspora Christian denomination. The prayer is called Ha Patchah. He found it very interesting that these Christians seem to have adopted many of the ancient Jewish practices in their rituals along with the Lord’s Prayer. These observations confirm the Quranic accounts that all these prayers came from Abraham's ancient practice taught by God.
The Key (Al-Fatehah) - Khalifa translation
[1:1] In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
[1:2] Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe.
[1:3] Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
[1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1:5] You alone we worship; You alone we ask for help.
[1:6] Guide us in the right path;
[1:7] the path of those whom You blessed; not of those who have deserved wrath, nor of the strayers.
HA PATCHAH
(THE OPENING PRAYER)
BE SHEM ELAH HA RAHAMIM
In the name of God, the Most Gracious (Ezr.5:1; Dan.9:9)
T’HILAH L’ELOHEINU RIBOHN HA-OLAMIM
All praise be to God, Lord of the universe (Jewish liturgy)
HA RAHAMIM
The Most Gracious (Dan.9:9)
MELEK YOM HA DIN
Master of the Day of Judgment (Jewish terminology)
ELEKHA ADONAY EQARA WE EL ADONAY ET HANAN
To you, O Lord, I implore – and to my Lord I seek help (Psalm 30:9)
HEHENI BE ORACH MISHOR
Guide us in the straight path (Psalm 27:11)
ALEKHET BE DEREHU WE LEYAREH ITTO
The way of life according to His path by reverencing Him (Deut 8:6)
LE HALAK BE ETSAH RISHAH WE LA SAGHAH
Not by the advice of the cursed, nor of the strayers (Psalm 119:21)
Reference Verses from Torah and Hebrew transliteration:
B’shem elah yisrael aleihohn (Ezr.5:1).
In the name of the God of Israel
L’Adonai Eloheinu harachamim (Dan.9:9)
Unto Adonai our God the merciful
Eilechah Adonai ekra v’el-Adonai et-chanan (Psalm 30:9)
Unto You Adonai I called and unto Adonai I implored
Horeini Adonai darchechah u-n’cheini b’orach mishor. (Psalm 27:11)
Teach me, Adonai, your way and guide me (lit. make me right) on your straight path.
(Shamartah et-mitzvot Adonai elohechah) lalechet bi’darchav u-l’yirah otoh (Deut 8:6)
(Keep/Guard God’s commandments so that) you will walk (lit. to walk) in His paths and so that you will fear (lit. to fear; to be in awe of) Him
Ga-artah zeidim arurim hashogim mi-mitzvotechah (Psalm 119:21)
You have rebuked the insolent, accursed sinners who have strayed from Your commandments
[Ed’s note: Many thanks to brother Gatut of Indonesia for providing the information on Ha Patchah, and sister Betsy of Jewish Congregation Or Chadash for checking the prayer for accuracy in Hebrew and for providing the Hebrew transliteration of the referenced verses from Torah.]
Questions that raises up in me
1 - i googled "ha patcha" and i cannot find any reference to it other than what is posted from the submission site. has this been verified as being true - or are we just wanting to believe in wishful thinking??
2 - is this a prayer or something a group of people put together to praise God.
3 - they say it is a jewish prayer - but it was said by a " dispora christain
denomination" - who are they exactly - more information needs to be provided about them.
4 - a look at the verses one can see outright that they are not a follow through but rather are a mix up of verses from the old testament to make up what resembles fatiha in Quran -
let us call a spade a spade - i will question openly the authenticity of this "discovery"
one has to look at the psalms and the jewish prayer book to note that though this ha patcha - said in jewish is a compilation of prayer( a pick and mix of words to suit whatever purpose for whomever) - for me , unless more information comes to light - i am not at liberty to agree that is is a prayer passed down but rather it is an attempt to compile verses to resemble fatiha of the Quran.
i will invite everyone to pick up the bible old testament and find out the verses quoted and verify themselves - they are not direct verses by any accounts - but phrases taken out of verses and then compiled into this "ha patcha"
I.E - ezra 5:1 using the KJV reads - "Then the prophets, Haggai the prophet, and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophesied unto the Jews that were in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of Israel, even unto them" ( we can see that in the name of the God of Isreal - a phrase has been taken out of the whole text)
daniel 9:9 using the KJV reads - "To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him." ( same thing as above comment)
Psalm 30:9 using KJV reads - "What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth" ( i think what they are trying touse of psalm 30:8 which reads -I cried to thee, O LORD; and unto the LORD I made supplication)
Psalm 27:11 using KJV reads - "Teach me thy way, O LORD, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies."
Deuteronomy 8:6 using KJV reads - "Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him. "
Psalm 119:21 using KJV reads - "Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, which do err from thy commandments."
i thought truth seekers were above all that - taking a phrase or word out of context and using it to manipulate whatever idea/notion they want to convince others about.
God does not need anyone to prove His existence and His authority - He is High above all that - his truth will always Prevail.
Truth will prevail and falsehood will vanish - surely falsehood will inevitably vanish!!!
Remember - 17:36
Khalifa - You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.
Yusuf Ali - And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
Pickthal - (O man), follow not that whereof thou hast no knowledge. Lo! the hearing and the sight and the heart - of each of these it will be asked.
Shakir - And follow not that of which you have not the knowledge; surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that.
Sher Ali - And follow not that of which thou hast no knowledge. Verily, the ear and the eye and the heart - all these shall be called to account.
"Progressive Muslims" - And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for.
Reformist Translation - Do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing,
eyesight, and mind, all these are held responsible for that.*
May God guide us in His truth and help us to worship Him alone - Ihidina siratal mustaqim.
( funny thing just crossed my mind - lol - everyone says this done we - how do we know those who are guided? really God help us all)
another rant
My God - how do i praise you and worship thee effecively?
In this world of yours and its many trappings and many decietful lures and mis-informations.
how do i sift through and reach out to you alone -
My Lord how do i understand you, understand your teachings and worship you alone.
In this world of yours with its many diluted information.
My Lord how do i serve you? in totality and rely on you alone
In this world of yours with its many trappings.
the issue on my mind today is the many practices of salat that we just follow without reasoning.
for instance -
why do some people call on mohammed and other people in prayer when the quran says Call on God alone?
why do we say salam alaykum when we pray -
i can understand salam alaykum to signal the end of prayer when praying in congregation - but i cannot understand saying it when praying alone - who are u salaaming to -
what if if there is two of you - you will still turn right and left - depending on where you are standing - who is the other person you are salaming to?
for me - my understanding tosay is that we are so fixed on uniformity - that we have forgotten how to be individuals.
remember on the DOJ it is each man for himself - there is no uniformity in righteousness - other than you seek to worship and obey God alone.
our deeds are not the same - our circumstances are not the same - our lives are not the same - they may be similar but still not the same.
we are all equal in that we have to fight for our righteousness and redemption - no one is an exemption - not even prophets of God and messengers - we all have to prove our righteousness.
i ask God that before i die - however long it is - to redeem me and grant me rigtousness and paraside in the hereafter.
God help me and teach me - to understand you - to worship you alone.... above all the misinformation and misguidance - give me clarity to see thee, clarity to worship thee and courage to focus on thee alone.
In this world of yours and its many trappings and many decietful lures and mis-informations.
how do i sift through and reach out to you alone -
My Lord how do i understand you, understand your teachings and worship you alone.
In this world of yours with its many diluted information.
My Lord how do i serve you? in totality and rely on you alone
In this world of yours with its many trappings.
the issue on my mind today is the many practices of salat that we just follow without reasoning.
for instance -
why do some people call on mohammed and other people in prayer when the quran says Call on God alone?
why do we say salam alaykum when we pray -
i can understand salam alaykum to signal the end of prayer when praying in congregation - but i cannot understand saying it when praying alone - who are u salaaming to -
what if if there is two of you - you will still turn right and left - depending on where you are standing - who is the other person you are salaming to?
for me - my understanding tosay is that we are so fixed on uniformity - that we have forgotten how to be individuals.
remember on the DOJ it is each man for himself - there is no uniformity in righteousness - other than you seek to worship and obey God alone.
our deeds are not the same - our circumstances are not the same - our lives are not the same - they may be similar but still not the same.
we are all equal in that we have to fight for our righteousness and redemption - no one is an exemption - not even prophets of God and messengers - we all have to prove our righteousness.
i ask God that before i die - however long it is - to redeem me and grant me rigtousness and paraside in the hereafter.
God help me and teach me - to understand you - to worship you alone.... above all the misinformation and misguidance - give me clarity to see thee, clarity to worship thee and courage to focus on thee alone.
Monday, 5 September 2011
A love letter to You...............
My God, I am in awe of your blessing and kindness up on me.
I am more and mnore in your debt as You - my Lord - have never failed me.
You have answered my prayers, granted my wishes, guided me to You.
I pray dear Lord and ask Your favour and blessing that you grant me rightwousness in this life and the next, that you provide for me a generous provision from Thee in this life and the next, that you forgive my sins, redeem me and accept me in thy service.
I pray that you guide my child in righteousness always, that You keep him near and close to You - inspiring him with an Inspiration that comes only from You, that You protect my child, nourish him and sustain him.
Do not let my child suffer dear Lord but provide for him, bless him and accept him in your service.
Just like Mary's mother dedicated her child to Thee - Just like samuels mother dedicated her child to thee - so i too dedicate my child to Thee dear Lord - asking and invoking your care, mercy, protection, inspiration and guidance on my child always.
Grant us righteousness in this life and the next, forgive us and redeem us and save us from the retsibution of Hell.
I am more and mnore in your debt as You - my Lord - have never failed me.
You have answered my prayers, granted my wishes, guided me to You.
I pray dear Lord and ask Your favour and blessing that you grant me rightwousness in this life and the next, that you provide for me a generous provision from Thee in this life and the next, that you forgive my sins, redeem me and accept me in thy service.
I pray that you guide my child in righteousness always, that You keep him near and close to You - inspiring him with an Inspiration that comes only from You, that You protect my child, nourish him and sustain him.
Do not let my child suffer dear Lord but provide for him, bless him and accept him in your service.
Just like Mary's mother dedicated her child to Thee - Just like samuels mother dedicated her child to thee - so i too dedicate my child to Thee dear Lord - asking and invoking your care, mercy, protection, inspiration and guidance on my child always.
Grant us righteousness in this life and the next, forgive us and redeem us and save us from the retsibution of Hell.
Monday, 29 August 2011
Most Gracious
i saw this posed on Fb -
Question: "In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful"... how do you guys understand the difference between God's grace and His mercy?..
and someone posted this in response which i find awfully inspiring.
Answer: Based on my understanding, grace is the extreme tolerance and favor God’s expresses towards us while we error in order to guide us. Mercy is the forgiveness to an offender. God expresses His Grace first towards us to guide us away from wron...g then He forgives us for the wrong we committed.
Most Gracious - there is none other than Him as a Lord and Master.
Question: "In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful"... how do you guys understand the difference between God's grace and His mercy?..
and someone posted this in response which i find awfully inspiring.
Answer: Based on my understanding, grace is the extreme tolerance and favor God’s expresses towards us while we error in order to guide us. Mercy is the forgiveness to an offender. God expresses His Grace first towards us to guide us away from wron...g then He forgives us for the wrong we committed.
Most Gracious - there is none other than Him as a Lord and Master.
Wednesday, 17 August 2011
Prose for thought - is is possible to trust in God aLONE
i saw ths article ages ago and it provoked some thinking in me -
Since the Coinage Act of 1864, our nation’s coins and currency have included the phrase “In God We Trust.”
Treasury Secretary Salmon Chase directed the U.S. Mint to insert the phrase and with this declaration, “No nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense.”
In 1956, Congress passed a joint resolution which established this phrase from our national anthem which declared, “And this be our motto, In God is our trust” as our national theme.
Although there have been periods of strong debate and even litigation through the
supreme Court to remove this phrase, it remains as our national motto and a declaration of our
dependence on God.
As worshippers ( changed from the original article here), we know that God frequently calls his people to trust in him alone.
Proverbs challenges us to trust in the Lord with all our hearts and not to lean on our own understanding.
God’s word challenges us to “not worry about anything” which, in our frantic and over-stressed world, seems to be strangely out of touch with reality.
Is it possible to trust in God completely, fully and without reservation even when surrounded by doubt and fear?
There is a word, “Bitachon,” in Hebrew that defines our trust in God as the confident assurance
that even in distress and trouble in this life, God does work for good.
It suggests that God’s people do not surrender or resort to anger but instead draw strength from this assurance. In the midst of the greatest disasters and troubles of this life, our God is always there with us and actively working to take us beyond trouble and to reveal his goodness.
In each moment of our lives, God desires to teach us how to trust him more. Doubt and fear weaken, but faith in God (please note that i changed to this from the original article) will strengthen us even when faced with the most difficult circumstances.
The strength of our trust is tested to increase faith, understanding and witness to God’s constant faithfulness in our daily lives. Whether a university, a church or an individual believer, our
trust in God does not come from a strong will, positive thinking or an inspiring motto on a coin.
Rather, our trust in God is the constant theme of our lives, the solid rock upon which we stand
and the basis for an inner faith that burns deeply in our hearts.
When we discover that God can be truly trusted with every aspect of our lives, we can abandon a “what if this or that comes” level of thinking and proclaim moment by moment and day by day that “no matter what may come,” our God is faithful and true.
Right now dearest Lord of mine - i am about clutching at air and grasping - I feel desolate and like i am wandering aimless in a vast desert.
I need strenght from thee and i need courage from thee.
Everything is changing, around me, i dont know where i belong, i feel i am slipping so i beg of thee to hold me firm and not let me fall.
I am loosing hope and all sorts, i need help and guidance from thee.
Since the Coinage Act of 1864, our nation’s coins and currency have included the phrase “In God We Trust.”
Treasury Secretary Salmon Chase directed the U.S. Mint to insert the phrase and with this declaration, “No nation can be strong except in the strength of God, or safe except in His defense.”
In 1956, Congress passed a joint resolution which established this phrase from our national anthem which declared, “And this be our motto, In God is our trust” as our national theme.
Although there have been periods of strong debate and even litigation through the
supreme Court to remove this phrase, it remains as our national motto and a declaration of our
dependence on God.
As worshippers ( changed from the original article here), we know that God frequently calls his people to trust in him alone.
Proverbs challenges us to trust in the Lord with all our hearts and not to lean on our own understanding.
God’s word challenges us to “not worry about anything” which, in our frantic and over-stressed world, seems to be strangely out of touch with reality.
Is it possible to trust in God completely, fully and without reservation even when surrounded by doubt and fear?
There is a word, “Bitachon,” in Hebrew that defines our trust in God as the confident assurance
that even in distress and trouble in this life, God does work for good.
It suggests that God’s people do not surrender or resort to anger but instead draw strength from this assurance. In the midst of the greatest disasters and troubles of this life, our God is always there with us and actively working to take us beyond trouble and to reveal his goodness.
In each moment of our lives, God desires to teach us how to trust him more. Doubt and fear weaken, but faith in God (please note that i changed to this from the original article) will strengthen us even when faced with the most difficult circumstances.
The strength of our trust is tested to increase faith, understanding and witness to God’s constant faithfulness in our daily lives. Whether a university, a church or an individual believer, our
trust in God does not come from a strong will, positive thinking or an inspiring motto on a coin.
Rather, our trust in God is the constant theme of our lives, the solid rock upon which we stand
and the basis for an inner faith that burns deeply in our hearts.
When we discover that God can be truly trusted with every aspect of our lives, we can abandon a “what if this or that comes” level of thinking and proclaim moment by moment and day by day that “no matter what may come,” our God is faithful and true.
Right now dearest Lord of mine - i am about clutching at air and grasping - I feel desolate and like i am wandering aimless in a vast desert.
I need strenght from thee and i need courage from thee.
Everything is changing, around me, i dont know where i belong, i feel i am slipping so i beg of thee to hold me firm and not let me fall.
I am loosing hope and all sorts, i need help and guidance from thee.
Monday, 25 April 2011
blind people, one big elephant
not all masks, figureheads, carvings are idols in the sense of idol worshipping
idol worship i reckon extends to far beyond that - it is a case of who do you turn to in time of trouble - who do you get your source of inspiration/guidance from
being christian/jew/muslim/hindu whatever - does nto matter - in the final analysis righteousness is what counts.
yes we are the same - in terms of the bigger picture - one God - the way we practice this is all different according to which faith you belong.
it is a case of whatever faith practice you have - are you doing that to the best of your ability?
Can you see beyund the fallacies and half truths and reach out to the creator only - far beyond human idolisation or glorification - can you see the truth of the Creator in it?
i guess its hard for some people to accept this - because of the do or die attitude - its either their way or the highway - But i choose to have the opinion that the worship of God transcends all that - intentions gravely matter, actions too to an extent - and besides all God is a forgiving Lord - who forgives our sins, redeeming us and accepting us severally to start anew again and again.
muse for thought
i remember my mum used to say to me - there are many paths to God - and i am in turn inclided to accept this view point - yes god is reachable thru many paths - the thing is that we reach God alone... what we dont understand about other paths - due to culture, language - let us not dismiss till we fully understand, learn and then make a decision...
idol worship i reckon extends to far beyond that - it is a case of who do you turn to in time of trouble - who do you get your source of inspiration/guidance from
being christian/jew/muslim/hindu whatever - does nto matter - in the final analysis righteousness is what counts.
yes we are the same - in terms of the bigger picture - one God - the way we practice this is all different according to which faith you belong.
it is a case of whatever faith practice you have - are you doing that to the best of your ability?
Can you see beyund the fallacies and half truths and reach out to the creator only - far beyond human idolisation or glorification - can you see the truth of the Creator in it?
i guess its hard for some people to accept this - because of the do or die attitude - its either their way or the highway - But i choose to have the opinion that the worship of God transcends all that - intentions gravely matter, actions too to an extent - and besides all God is a forgiving Lord - who forgives our sins, redeeming us and accepting us severally to start anew again and again.
muse for thought
i remember my mum used to say to me - there are many paths to God - and i am in turn inclided to accept this view point - yes god is reachable thru many paths - the thing is that we reach God alone... what we dont understand about other paths - due to culture, language - let us not dismiss till we fully understand, learn and then make a decision...
Sunday, 24 April 2011
......
sometimes God, i want to understand but i lack capability to.
i dont understan how this world works, how your rules govern it
i dont understand how/why things happen.
i guess with some things they are tests.. to keep us alert to keep us praising
but they are also at the same time...
i dont know what i am trying to say but i know what i want to say.
ultimately God, you know what is best for me and my trust is in Thee that You take control of my affairs.
But i cannot help but plead with You asking You to consider my anguish and be compassionate with me by granting me and blessing me with what i ask from Thee. I dont know tomorrow or even the end of the day.. i dont know anything other than what i want, wish and long for. But Creator of mine, please help me and provide for me. Please help me and provide for me.
My Lord, You who give life to the dead, You cause water to spring up from dry lands. You give life to dry earth and allow it to germinate,
- You are the Moghty King of David, the Provider of Job, The One who redeemed Adam and Eve - You Lord provided amnesty to Jonah.
Help me Great King please, I am not worthy i know but nevertheless, i know....
i dont understan how this world works, how your rules govern it
i dont understand how/why things happen.
i guess with some things they are tests.. to keep us alert to keep us praising
but they are also at the same time...
i dont know what i am trying to say but i know what i want to say.
ultimately God, you know what is best for me and my trust is in Thee that You take control of my affairs.
But i cannot help but plead with You asking You to consider my anguish and be compassionate with me by granting me and blessing me with what i ask from Thee. I dont know tomorrow or even the end of the day.. i dont know anything other than what i want, wish and long for. But Creator of mine, please help me and provide for me. Please help me and provide for me.
My Lord, You who give life to the dead, You cause water to spring up from dry lands. You give life to dry earth and allow it to germinate,
- You are the Moghty King of David, the Provider of Job, The One who redeemed Adam and Eve - You Lord provided amnesty to Jonah.
Help me Great King please, I am not worthy i know but nevertheless, i know....
Sunday, 30 January 2011
conundrum
so the question on my lips tonight is
" what is the best way to praise the creator"
why am i asking - i dont know but it is a thought that occured to me, you knwo with human beings they are prone to flattery but God is BIG beyond all that, God is not human and he has no human flaws that we have or are prone to.
i guess a heartfelt thank you will be enough, but sometimes i just think, is there more that i say can -
i guess again maybe there is - righteousness - doing the righteous works that pleases God.
" what is the best way to praise the creator"
why am i asking - i dont know but it is a thought that occured to me, you knwo with human beings they are prone to flattery but God is BIG beyond all that, God is not human and he has no human flaws that we have or are prone to.
i guess a heartfelt thank you will be enough, but sometimes i just think, is there more that i say can -
i guess again maybe there is - righteousness - doing the righteous works that pleases God.
Saturday, 8 January 2011
Supplication
Blessed are you, O Lord my God, Lord of the Universe, the God of Abraham - the Great, Mighty and Revered God, the Most High God who bestows loving kindnesses, the Creator of all things, O King, Helper, Savior and Shield. Blessed are you, O Lord, Lord of the Universe.
You O Lord are God -there is no other god besides Thee, You are the Living, the Eternal. Never a moment of unawareness or slumber can overtake Thee. To You belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. No one can intercede with Thee, except in accordance with Thy will. No one attains any knowledge, except as you will. Your dominion encompasses all the heavens and the earth, and ruling them never burdens thee in the slightest. Blessed are you O Lord, the Most High, the Great.
You O Lord are the possessor of all sovereignty. You grant sovereignty to whomever You choose, You remove sovereignty from whomever You choose. You grant dignity to whomever You choose, and commit to humiliation whomever You choose. In Your hand are all provisions. Blessed are you O Lord, You are Omnipotent.
You O Lord, merge the night into the day, and merge the day into the night. You produce the living from the dead, and produce the dead from the living, and You provide for whomever You choose, without limits. Blessed are You O Lord, The Best Provider
You O Lord, You bestows knowledge, and teach mortals understanding. O favor me with the knowledge, the understanding and the insight that come from you. Blessed are you, O Lord, the gracious giver of knowledge.
Bring me back, O Gracious Lord to your Instruction; draw me close, O my King, to your service; and cause me to return to you in perfect repentance. Blessed are you, O Lord, who delights in repentance.
Forgive me, Most Gracious Lord, for I sin; pardon me, O my King, for I transgress; You alone pardon and forgive. Blessed are you, O Lord, who is merciful and always ready to forgive.
Look upon my affliction and plead my cause,and redeem me speedily for you are a mighty redeemer. Blessed are you, O Lord, the redeemer, Most Merciful.
Heal me, O Lord, and I will be healed; save me and I will be saved, for you are my praise. O grant a perfect healing to all my ailments, for you, Almighty King, are a faithful and merciful healer. Blessed are you, O Lord, the healer.
O Gracious Lord, remove from me sorrow and sighing. Reign over us, you alone, O Lord, with loving kindness and compassion, guide me in thy path and provide thy blessings daily. Blessed are you, O Lord, the King who loves righteousness and justice.
Hear my voice, O Lord my God; spare me and have pity on me. Accept my prayer in mercy and with favor, for you are a God who hears prayers and supplications. O my King, do not turn me away from your presence empty-handed, for you hear all prayers with compassion. Blessed are you, O Lord, who hears prayer.
I give thanks to you that you are the Lord my God and the God of my fathers forever and ever. Through every generation you have been the rock of our lives, the shield of our salvation.I give you thanks and declare your praise for my life that is committed to Thee, for my soul that is entrusted to you, For your miracles that are daily with us, and for your wonders and your benefits that are with us at all times, evening, morning and noon. O beneficent one, your mercies never fail; O merciful one, your loving kindnesses never cease. I put my hope in Thee. For all these acts may your name be blessed and exalted always, O our King, forever and ever. Let every living thing give thanks to you and praise your name in truth, O God, my salvation and help. Blessed are you, O Lord, whose Name is the Beneficent One, and to whom it is fitting to give thanks and Praise.
You O Lord are God -there is no other god besides Thee, You are the Living, the Eternal. Never a moment of unawareness or slumber can overtake Thee. To You belongs everything in the heavens and everything on earth. No one can intercede with Thee, except in accordance with Thy will. No one attains any knowledge, except as you will. Your dominion encompasses all the heavens and the earth, and ruling them never burdens thee in the slightest. Blessed are you O Lord, the Most High, the Great.
You O Lord are the possessor of all sovereignty. You grant sovereignty to whomever You choose, You remove sovereignty from whomever You choose. You grant dignity to whomever You choose, and commit to humiliation whomever You choose. In Your hand are all provisions. Blessed are you O Lord, You are Omnipotent.
You O Lord, merge the night into the day, and merge the day into the night. You produce the living from the dead, and produce the dead from the living, and You provide for whomever You choose, without limits. Blessed are You O Lord, The Best Provider
You O Lord, You bestows knowledge, and teach mortals understanding. O favor me with the knowledge, the understanding and the insight that come from you. Blessed are you, O Lord, the gracious giver of knowledge.
Bring me back, O Gracious Lord to your Instruction; draw me close, O my King, to your service; and cause me to return to you in perfect repentance. Blessed are you, O Lord, who delights in repentance.
Forgive me, Most Gracious Lord, for I sin; pardon me, O my King, for I transgress; You alone pardon and forgive. Blessed are you, O Lord, who is merciful and always ready to forgive.
Look upon my affliction and plead my cause,and redeem me speedily for you are a mighty redeemer. Blessed are you, O Lord, the redeemer, Most Merciful.
Heal me, O Lord, and I will be healed; save me and I will be saved, for you are my praise. O grant a perfect healing to all my ailments, for you, Almighty King, are a faithful and merciful healer. Blessed are you, O Lord, the healer.
O Gracious Lord, remove from me sorrow and sighing. Reign over us, you alone, O Lord, with loving kindness and compassion, guide me in thy path and provide thy blessings daily. Blessed are you, O Lord, the King who loves righteousness and justice.
Hear my voice, O Lord my God; spare me and have pity on me. Accept my prayer in mercy and with favor, for you are a God who hears prayers and supplications. O my King, do not turn me away from your presence empty-handed, for you hear all prayers with compassion. Blessed are you, O Lord, who hears prayer.
I give thanks to you that you are the Lord my God and the God of my fathers forever and ever. Through every generation you have been the rock of our lives, the shield of our salvation.I give you thanks and declare your praise for my life that is committed to Thee, for my soul that is entrusted to you, For your miracles that are daily with us, and for your wonders and your benefits that are with us at all times, evening, morning and noon. O beneficent one, your mercies never fail; O merciful one, your loving kindnesses never cease. I put my hope in Thee. For all these acts may your name be blessed and exalted always, O our King, forever and ever. Let every living thing give thanks to you and praise your name in truth, O God, my salvation and help. Blessed are you, O Lord, whose Name is the Beneficent One, and to whom it is fitting to give thanks and Praise.
taken from wikipedia search of amidah
Sunday, 2 January 2011
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sometimes it is easy to bare one's soul out to the world and at times it is not so easy especially when things are of a sensitive nature.
My Lord, sometimes i want to talk to a human soul, but what will that gain me expcept a bit of relief and feeling that someone has heard me.
My Lord i know you hear me, and i know that you you know me, but i dont know what to do
You have said to ask with prayer and i am hoping i am doing just that.
I trust in thee and i am relying in thee. I have done all i could do, the rest is with you.
i am worried , yes I am and i am slowly loosing hope because i dont knwo the outcome.
i am reminded by a verse - hasbunallahu wa nima-al wa keel. and la hawla wa la kuwata illa bi llahi.
apart from constant recitation on my part i dont know what else to do
My Lord - you have said to ask in prayer and i am trying to do just that.
You know me and ultimately you know what is best for me.
but i am begging thee and pleading with thee to grant me, to allow me and to forgive me.
Forgive me the temptation which makes me think that others mischief may be the case in this instance but i know and fully realise that You My Lord, The Most Gracious God are in control of all things. Nothing happens except with you knowledge or in accordance with your will.
I wont say that i understand how your will and plans for us are meant to pann out, in fact i wont hazard a guess but i have to trust that you as my Sustainer will sustain me and provide for me.
in this instance if it were just me, i may not bother as much btu there are other people somewhat involved that will be involved and the recriminations and unknown shame/tanning response is frightening me.
My Lord please i dont know what to use to beg of thee, i can say i will stop doing this, i can say i will give this to this person but ultimately i know they are just promises, promises that i may not carry out.
but God i can only say that i will try my best to be more charitable, to lead a more righteous life, to Glorify thee more, exalt thee more, Praise thee more eloquently
This much i trust that by your Grace you will allow me.
I have done all i can do i dont know what else to do, Please My Lord help me.
I am begging thee Great Lord, to please help me.
Most Gracious Lord, of all the names you have this is the one that endears to me the most - the moment i heard it and it resonated with my heart i was in Love with it and this is the best name i call thee. The Most Gracious.
Most Gracious, you are my protector and you are my Lord please help me.
i was saying to myself today that your mercy is such expanse and so deep that with it you provide for the disbelievers, you provide for the idolaters, you provide for the believers.
i hope that you regard me as a believer my Lord and i am asking that you extend your mercy to me.
I am hoping in thee my Lord and i am begging thee to please please please please help me.
As i am feeling right now i am begging thee Lord that it is a blessing and i am begging thee to please please please help me.
i can sit and lament all day long, i can sit and cry all night long my Lord please i dont want to cry any longer i want to jubilate and sing and give thanks and praise, i want to shout so the whole world can hear i want to testify my thanks to the Lord. My God please help me Most Gracious please help me as i dont know what to do...
My Lord, sometimes i want to talk to a human soul, but what will that gain me expcept a bit of relief and feeling that someone has heard me.
My Lord i know you hear me, and i know that you you know me, but i dont know what to do
You have said to ask with prayer and i am hoping i am doing just that.
I trust in thee and i am relying in thee. I have done all i could do, the rest is with you.
i am worried , yes I am and i am slowly loosing hope because i dont knwo the outcome.
i am reminded by a verse - hasbunallahu wa nima-al wa keel. and la hawla wa la kuwata illa bi llahi.
apart from constant recitation on my part i dont know what else to do
My Lord - you have said to ask in prayer and i am trying to do just that.
You know me and ultimately you know what is best for me.
but i am begging thee and pleading with thee to grant me, to allow me and to forgive me.
Forgive me the temptation which makes me think that others mischief may be the case in this instance but i know and fully realise that You My Lord, The Most Gracious God are in control of all things. Nothing happens except with you knowledge or in accordance with your will.
I wont say that i understand how your will and plans for us are meant to pann out, in fact i wont hazard a guess but i have to trust that you as my Sustainer will sustain me and provide for me.
in this instance if it were just me, i may not bother as much btu there are other people somewhat involved that will be involved and the recriminations and unknown shame/tanning response is frightening me.
My Lord please i dont know what to use to beg of thee, i can say i will stop doing this, i can say i will give this to this person but ultimately i know they are just promises, promises that i may not carry out.
but God i can only say that i will try my best to be more charitable, to lead a more righteous life, to Glorify thee more, exalt thee more, Praise thee more eloquently
This much i trust that by your Grace you will allow me.
I have done all i can do i dont know what else to do, Please My Lord help me.
I am begging thee Great Lord, to please help me.
Most Gracious Lord, of all the names you have this is the one that endears to me the most - the moment i heard it and it resonated with my heart i was in Love with it and this is the best name i call thee. The Most Gracious.
Most Gracious, you are my protector and you are my Lord please help me.
i was saying to myself today that your mercy is such expanse and so deep that with it you provide for the disbelievers, you provide for the idolaters, you provide for the believers.
i hope that you regard me as a believer my Lord and i am asking that you extend your mercy to me.
I am hoping in thee my Lord and i am begging thee to please please please please help me.
As i am feeling right now i am begging thee Lord that it is a blessing and i am begging thee to please please please help me.
i can sit and lament all day long, i can sit and cry all night long my Lord please i dont want to cry any longer i want to jubilate and sing and give thanks and praise, i want to shout so the whole world can hear i want to testify my thanks to the Lord. My God please help me Most Gracious please help me as i dont know what to do...
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