someone sent me this advice today - whilst it was unsolicited - i feel it is insightful and inspiring and it it something i want to share with you.
Please refer all the aayaats (verses) quoted very carefully
Alhamdulillah! By Allah's grace I am able to get myself close to Allah. I study AlQuraan always based on the following FORMULAS. Yes, formulas!
1- When I am clean from my mind and from my heart, at such times, I feel myself very close to Allah. This is because, if we have problem in our minds and heart then it may lead us to go astray. 2:10-11, 3:7 [chapter : verse]
2- I start reading AlQuraan by seeking refuge in Allah from Shaitaan. 16:98
3- I always try to follow Arabic Text, even when I used to read translations, and I used to follow multiple translations [lets say about 8 in different languages that I know by different translators, btw I know only 3-4 languages] to extract the closest meaning of the original text 12:2 and there is no problems in Arabic language 39:28
The best way I found to understand the exact meaning of the words used in Arabic in AlQuraan is to find the same rooted words and check its usage in different aayaats. That helps me a lot.
You can pray how Allah guides you by studying AlQuraan, you don't need to follow anyone 7:3 [rather you can take help from anyone] in the world, cause, Allah guides who He wills and His guidance is the only true and correct guidance 2:120, 18:17, 39:37. So, better to get direct guidance from Allah.
And no need to pray Salaat in Arabic, you must understand what you SAY [not recite but say] in Salaat 4:43 and you are free to pray your Salaat in your own language, Allah understand all the languages. Through Salaat you can create a link between you and Allah, I believe that you can form such link in your own language strongly, instead of parroting other language.
In fact, no book on the earth is needed to help to understand AlQuraan correctly. Allah said, there are lot of contradictions in any book other than AlQuraan 4:82 and when Allah is the One who gives you knowledge of AlQuraan 55:1-2, you don't need any other book.
You don't need to get confuse, listen to everyone but ask Allah for help and guidance [it is needed always] toward HIS true path. As I said above, if you are pure from your heart, sincere and honest to yourself, then you don't need to worry, Allah, will surely guide you, but please DO NOT RUSH, there is a time for everything from Allah and wait until Allah judges for you in every case. 10:109
You don't need to worry for where to take a start, you can read AlQuraan from anywhere, anytime, Allah knows what you need from guidance so, He will show you what you needed depends upon your base knowledge. Believe me, so many times you may get surprise, to get exactly what you were looking for, just by reading AlQuraan randomly from anywhere.
This is all happens because, Allah knows about us, He is our Creator.
I always ask others to study AlQuraan alone cause:
1- We may diviate from the path of Allah if we follow other books as they contain maximum contradictions 4:82
2- What do we need other books for, when we already have everything with us in detail and explained 16:89, 6:38, 6:114
3- We ask Allah for the guidance to the straight path 1:6, Allah said AlQuraan guides you to the straight path 17:9
Hence, no other books needed.
You can start from anywhere, even just by opening AlQuraan randomly from anywhere, that is really helpful, inshaAllah. If you are confused about anything, just seek Allah's help and keep that topic on hold and wait until Allah clarifies it for you 10:109
Yes you take down notes of what YOU study by yourself to cross reference WHEN you find the similar topic while reading AlQuraan. I used to use marker to mark the words or aayaats straight in AlQuraan [hard copy] itself while reading by adding another sura and aayat number at the side [as side note] where the same word or similar aayat or same topics I find.
InshaAllah, it will help you a lot, again, please DO NOT RUSH it may not lead you anywhere but deviate from the true path of Allah.
I am not doing any special favor to you but we should remember always, that who ever does good is for his own self and who ever does evil is also for his own self. 17:7 So, my reward will be with Allah, inshaAllah.
Sorry for the looooooong post but I hope this may help you, inshaAllah.
So that is the long and short if it. i agree God is the one who will impart knowledge and guidance from the scripture to us - i also agree that we should focus on God alone - and yes i agree that salat need not be said in arabic alone - i always re-iterate - during salat, it i sthe soul reaching out to its creator - you have to know what you are saying and what you are putting forward on behalf of your soul - personally i use a mixture of arabic as i understand the translation, english and yoruba which is my native tongue. all in all for my creator.
anyways good advice ought to be shared so here is my share....
Tuesday, 24 January 2012
Sunday, 15 January 2012
Distraught
My Lord, i feel desolane and alone.
I know no helper except thee
I have no help except that which Thou sends for me
I know of no guide tolead me through my darkness
I have no guidance but that which Thou inspires me to
I have no knowledge except that which thou bestows on me
I have no comfort save that which Thou gives me
I need strenght from thee to be able to understand and comprehend.
I need courage to do that which must be done by me
I need thee ever more
i need patience to be able to carry on - for i feel as though as i cant go on, i cant take anymore
but give me patience my Lord to persevere, patience to hold on, patience to remember to pray and praise thee
i am falling my Lord - Please help me, I feel so alone and in despair
I need strenght not only for me but for my Child, I need strenght to cast away the moments of blue that is descending upon me.
I need strenght and courage not only for me but for my child, I need strenght to carry this child
Please dont take this child from me, please support me Lord - You alone are my Provider , my Support My King.
Maybe i am amplifying it much more than i should - but right now i dont know what to say, what to do, what and how to be - i just know of you Lord, my help and comfort.
I know no helper except thee
I have no help except that which Thou sends for me
I know of no guide tolead me through my darkness
I have no guidance but that which Thou inspires me to
I have no knowledge except that which thou bestows on me
I have no comfort save that which Thou gives me
I need strenght from thee to be able to understand and comprehend.
I need courage to do that which must be done by me
I need thee ever more
i need patience to be able to carry on - for i feel as though as i cant go on, i cant take anymore
but give me patience my Lord to persevere, patience to hold on, patience to remember to pray and praise thee
i am falling my Lord - Please help me, I feel so alone and in despair
I need strenght not only for me but for my Child, I need strenght to cast away the moments of blue that is descending upon me.
I need strenght and courage not only for me but for my child, I need strenght to carry this child
Please dont take this child from me, please support me Lord - You alone are my Provider , my Support My King.
Maybe i am amplifying it much more than i should - but right now i dont know what to say, what to do, what and how to be - i just know of you Lord, my help and comfort.
Tuesday, 3 January 2012
Speaking sense......
I saw this article just today on submitters perspective and for once i can say there there is sence in what the person who wrote the article is taalking about - the most important part (i have made in bold and my comments are in red))that made me acclaim - yes that's it - God wont leave you(person who wrote this article) and will bless you for saying this.
To read or not to read, That is the question… or is it?
Often new submitters ask if they should read the subtitles, footnotes and appendices in Dr. Rashad Khalifa’s translation of the Quran. Depending on whom they ask they will get different answers.
In some Quran study groups this has become quite an issue, with different Submitters taking different stances. Some say that they must not be read because they are not in the original Arabic Quran, while others say they must be read because they are the teaching of the Messenger of the Covenant. In a few situations perhaps even rules have been made.
But I would like to suggest that to read or not to read is not really the question. Rather it is: Why we are trying to tell how others they should be following Submission? (May God forgive me, I have done it too, so I am speaking to myself as well.) i too must admit that wether i like it or not - when i am trying to explain sometimes to people i fall into the trap of trying to tell others how to behave - but i recognise that this is wrong - i can only give my view point - what the person chooses to follow is up to them afterall.
In my personal understanding true Islam, Submission, is not an organized religion. To me there is no religious hierarchy but rather each of us is individually responsible to God alone. We stand before Him absolutely on our own. So to me each of us must make our own decisions; it is our neck. Of course we are encouraged to consult with one another: i fully agree with this statement whole heartedly - and this is when i acclaimed in happiness - what i have been trying to make people understand - we only answer to God - so many people - and in this case those who call themselves submitters - fall into a trap of wanting conformity - same prayers, same thoughts - but the human being is not a machine is he? i believe the race is towards rightwousness and each of us through Gods provisions upon us(individually) have different levels of logic and undestanding - it is not a case of one person is right and the other is wrong - it is rather in my view a case of our lives are different, our experiences are different - so therefore our understanding and thought processes will be different - there is no right or wrong - God knows those who are serving him and putting him first in all their decision processes - after all God is the best Guide and it is He who will provide us with the necessary logic/understanding to appreciate and know His words and how we are best placed to worship him. consulting is a way whereby we share ideas and viewpoints - we cannot get upset or angry at the another persons rationale or conclusion - life afterall and in essence the worship of God is a working Progress till the end of our life span.
the submitters that i know - want conformity - but with worshiping God - i believe the only conformity that can be appreciated is WORSHIPPING GOD ALONE. that is the utmost binding glue that makes us all kindred spirits - i guess it all about tolerance - one vital ingredient that WE ALL FORGET DUE TO ARROGANCE - and by arrogance i mean that voice in your head that makes you think you are superior because you think you have found the right explanation to things.essence of a verse or thought.
[42:38] They respond to their Lord by observing the Contact Prayers (Salat). Their affairs are decided after due consultation among themselves, and from our provisions to them they give (to charity).
However, this is different from our trying to make rules that others must follow. When we are consulted we should of course give our understanding while recognizing that indeed others have an equal right to their understanding. As per above statement
[2:256] There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
I personally find wonderful information, knowledge and wisdom in Dr. Khalifa’s words, both written and spoken and captured on tape. But they are not a source of religious law. God tells us clearly that the scripture is the only such source: Personally i do not find them relevant to my path to God - i guess i regard it as any other article someone has written - i have never been able to follow through - i do not agree with some lines of thought - and i agree with the aurhot - khalifa's notes are not a source of religious law - but you will be amazed at the numbers of "submitters" that regard it as so.
Quran: Fully Detailed*
[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.
*6:113-115 Upholding any source beside the Quran reflects disbelief in the Quran (Appendix 18).
Nor are they a source of guidance:
Quran, the Whole Quran, and Nothing But the Quran - sometimes we has humans forget that it is all about the QURAN and the guidance therein - it is God who will reveal its guidance to us - not for any man to be able to explain it to me -
[6:19] Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "GOD's. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran* has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods* beside GOD." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."
*6:19 This verse proclaims the Quran as the only source of religious guidance. Those who uphold additional sources, such as Hadith & Sunna (lies attributed to the Prophet), are defined as idolators.
These are my thoughts, but I must respect those who have a different opinion. After all, God is guiding each of us individually. AGREED
[64:11] Nothing happens to you except in accordance with GOD's will. Anyone who believes in GOD, He will guide his heart. GOD is fully aware of all things.
One of the great joys of Submission is the diversity we are blessed with in our community. We come from different nationalities and different religious, cultural, educational and family backgrounds. And yet we form the bricks in one wall. And the fact that each brick is a slightly different shape makes us stronger, like walls of mortar-less natural stones whose shapes are so perfectly fitted together that they are still standing thousands of years later.
What a gift. Praise God. May He continue to make our wall a strong and resilient one!
copied from: http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/SP/2011/nov/page3.html
this life is interesting indeed - personally speaking - when reading khalifas translation - i find omissions and his choice of words not a true representative of what i feel the verse is saying - but nevertheless - i have always maintained that the translation of Quran from original into any language is a tricky business and i commend anyone who tries to do it - it is always difficult - because the translator will first have to make sense of it - and by their making sense of it - they are already conditioned to be subjective and they are limited by their experiences and understanding - it is this limited scope that they are trying to pass on to others - i always encourage people to pick up the scripture and read themselves for themselves - Never let anyone tell you they can explain a verse to you - they can only give you their viewpoint - and that viewpoint is not binding - no matter how esteemed that person is to you or the community - for those who do not read arabic - it is best to get different versions of the translation and compare - God willing - God will direct one to the right meaning.
Khalifas translation is by no means in my view authorised - it contains mistakes and omissions where in a translation of the scripture of God there should not be any mistakes/omissions - but overall it is a good read - somewhat simplistic in its overview but a good base to start from - and as one reads and reads each day, one gets to see the chop and change of words that are used by the translator that makes it confusing to arrive at a logical sequence - but that in itself is a learning spurt spurring one to find out more about the choice of words, omissions and general flow of verses.
an example of the chop and change in a simplistic way is the use of the word "exalted" which he has translated from as tabaraka and taa'la -
for example - Most Exalted is God 7:54- he translates as Tabaraka llahu - also he uses Most Exalted is God - Fa taa'la llahu 20:114. but elsewhere he uses wataa'la llahu - He is the Most High.
on doing a bit of searching - "tabaraka" using the corpus arabic dictionary - is noted as "Blessed" - which for me rings somewhere in my head as the tail end of the word "Baraka" - is "Blessing" - http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=brk
also when looking at the other word "Aa'la" - this i guess is used elsewhere as "High" - so by saying "wa taa'la" - will can mean as "Most High"
all i can say is comme si, comme ca - to God belongs the most beautiful names - whichever attributes one uses -
this notion that we submit to God alone - is what i feel many submitters who are in process forming alliances over the 3 vs 5 prayers - shoul adopt - i have been told that some 5 prayer submitters are saying that we should not pray with the 3 prayer submitters and shouls hsun them.
To read or not to read, That is the question… or is it?
Often new submitters ask if they should read the subtitles, footnotes and appendices in Dr. Rashad Khalifa’s translation of the Quran. Depending on whom they ask they will get different answers.
In some Quran study groups this has become quite an issue, with different Submitters taking different stances. Some say that they must not be read because they are not in the original Arabic Quran, while others say they must be read because they are the teaching of the Messenger of the Covenant. In a few situations perhaps even rules have been made.
But I would like to suggest that to read or not to read is not really the question. Rather it is: Why we are trying to tell how others they should be following Submission? (May God forgive me, I have done it too, so I am speaking to myself as well.) i too must admit that wether i like it or not - when i am trying to explain sometimes to people i fall into the trap of trying to tell others how to behave - but i recognise that this is wrong - i can only give my view point - what the person chooses to follow is up to them afterall.
In my personal understanding true Islam, Submission, is not an organized religion. To me there is no religious hierarchy but rather each of us is individually responsible to God alone. We stand before Him absolutely on our own. So to me each of us must make our own decisions; it is our neck. Of course we are encouraged to consult with one another: i fully agree with this statement whole heartedly - and this is when i acclaimed in happiness - what i have been trying to make people understand - we only answer to God - so many people - and in this case those who call themselves submitters - fall into a trap of wanting conformity - same prayers, same thoughts - but the human being is not a machine is he? i believe the race is towards rightwousness and each of us through Gods provisions upon us(individually) have different levels of logic and undestanding - it is not a case of one person is right and the other is wrong - it is rather in my view a case of our lives are different, our experiences are different - so therefore our understanding and thought processes will be different - there is no right or wrong - God knows those who are serving him and putting him first in all their decision processes - after all God is the best Guide and it is He who will provide us with the necessary logic/understanding to appreciate and know His words and how we are best placed to worship him. consulting is a way whereby we share ideas and viewpoints - we cannot get upset or angry at the another persons rationale or conclusion - life afterall and in essence the worship of God is a working Progress till the end of our life span.
the submitters that i know - want conformity - but with worshiping God - i believe the only conformity that can be appreciated is WORSHIPPING GOD ALONE. that is the utmost binding glue that makes us all kindred spirits - i guess it all about tolerance - one vital ingredient that WE ALL FORGET DUE TO ARROGANCE - and by arrogance i mean that voice in your head that makes you think you are superior because you think you have found the right explanation to things.essence of a verse or thought.
[42:38] They respond to their Lord by observing the Contact Prayers (Salat). Their affairs are decided after due consultation among themselves, and from our provisions to them they give (to charity).
However, this is different from our trying to make rules that others must follow. When we are consulted we should of course give our understanding while recognizing that indeed others have an equal right to their understanding. As per above statement
[2:256] There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in GOD has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. GOD is Hearer, Omniscient.
I personally find wonderful information, knowledge and wisdom in Dr. Khalifa’s words, both written and spoken and captured on tape. But they are not a source of religious law. God tells us clearly that the scripture is the only such source: Personally i do not find them relevant to my path to God - i guess i regard it as any other article someone has written - i have never been able to follow through - i do not agree with some lines of thought - and i agree with the aurhot - khalifa's notes are not a source of religious law - but you will be amazed at the numbers of "submitters" that regard it as so.
Quran: Fully Detailed*
[6:114] Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed to you this book fully detailed?* Those who received the scripture recognize that it has been revealed from your Lord, truthfully. You shall not harbor any doubt.
*6:113-115 Upholding any source beside the Quran reflects disbelief in the Quran (Appendix 18).
Nor are they a source of guidance:
Quran, the Whole Quran, and Nothing But the Quran - sometimes we has humans forget that it is all about the QURAN and the guidance therein - it is God who will reveal its guidance to us - not for any man to be able to explain it to me -
[6:19] Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "GOD's. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran* has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods* beside GOD." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."
*6:19 This verse proclaims the Quran as the only source of religious guidance. Those who uphold additional sources, such as Hadith & Sunna (lies attributed to the Prophet), are defined as idolators.
These are my thoughts, but I must respect those who have a different opinion. After all, God is guiding each of us individually. AGREED
[64:11] Nothing happens to you except in accordance with GOD's will. Anyone who believes in GOD, He will guide his heart. GOD is fully aware of all things.
One of the great joys of Submission is the diversity we are blessed with in our community. We come from different nationalities and different religious, cultural, educational and family backgrounds. And yet we form the bricks in one wall. And the fact that each brick is a slightly different shape makes us stronger, like walls of mortar-less natural stones whose shapes are so perfectly fitted together that they are still standing thousands of years later.
What a gift. Praise God. May He continue to make our wall a strong and resilient one!
copied from: http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/SP/2011/nov/page3.html
this life is interesting indeed - personally speaking - when reading khalifas translation - i find omissions and his choice of words not a true representative of what i feel the verse is saying - but nevertheless - i have always maintained that the translation of Quran from original into any language is a tricky business and i commend anyone who tries to do it - it is always difficult - because the translator will first have to make sense of it - and by their making sense of it - they are already conditioned to be subjective and they are limited by their experiences and understanding - it is this limited scope that they are trying to pass on to others - i always encourage people to pick up the scripture and read themselves for themselves - Never let anyone tell you they can explain a verse to you - they can only give you their viewpoint - and that viewpoint is not binding - no matter how esteemed that person is to you or the community - for those who do not read arabic - it is best to get different versions of the translation and compare - God willing - God will direct one to the right meaning.
Khalifas translation is by no means in my view authorised - it contains mistakes and omissions where in a translation of the scripture of God there should not be any mistakes/omissions - but overall it is a good read - somewhat simplistic in its overview but a good base to start from - and as one reads and reads each day, one gets to see the chop and change of words that are used by the translator that makes it confusing to arrive at a logical sequence - but that in itself is a learning spurt spurring one to find out more about the choice of words, omissions and general flow of verses.
an example of the chop and change in a simplistic way is the use of the word "exalted" which he has translated from as tabaraka and taa'la -
for example - Most Exalted is God 7:54- he translates as Tabaraka llahu - also he uses Most Exalted is God - Fa taa'la llahu 20:114. but elsewhere he uses wataa'la llahu - He is the Most High.
on doing a bit of searching - "tabaraka" using the corpus arabic dictionary - is noted as "Blessed" - which for me rings somewhere in my head as the tail end of the word "Baraka" - is "Blessing" - http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?q=brk
also when looking at the other word "Aa'la" - this i guess is used elsewhere as "High" - so by saying "wa taa'la" - will can mean as "Most High"
all i can say is comme si, comme ca - to God belongs the most beautiful names - whichever attributes one uses -
this notion that we submit to God alone - is what i feel many submitters who are in process forming alliances over the 3 vs 5 prayers - shoul adopt - i have been told that some 5 prayer submitters are saying that we should not pray with the 3 prayer submitters and shouls hsun them.
I for one will not and never do this - I will pray with anyone who is praying to God alone - be it christian jews or even those who are not fully practicing - as long as the prayer is directed to Him alone - everything else of for God to judge as he knows intentions better than anyone.
Division is a tool of the devil and we should start realising this and concentrate on God alone and worshipping God alone and stop worrying about peoples thought processes and fate - we should worry about our own neck and our fate.no one can tell anyone else how it should be done, the best way to pray, the best way to worsip God, what to say in prayer - how to speak to God, this is up to the individual soul as it is the soul from each person that is accountable at the end of the day.
Praise be to the Lord of the Universe - there is no other God but thee my Lord, in this life and hereafter. Guide me to thee - with truth and with your light which illuminates and clears the way to thee. Keep me forever devoted to thee in this life and hereafter - to praise and glorify thee always. For all Glory is Thine, all Praise, Authority and Kingship, in this life and the hereafter , Be thou Glorified Most Gracious Lord.Monday, 2 January 2012
Ablutions and Hair - the negro womans problem...
IT has long since been a subject of interest of mine with regards to this aspect.
I am fascinated regarding interpretation over this aspect - Ultimately God knows best and may He guide us to the truth and grant us the understanding needed to accept it.
i remember i asked one of my muslim friends on how she observed just normal ablution - given that she too like me was prone to changing her hairstyles and unlike me she used weavons - ( these weavons are temporarily atached to the hair in some instancves covering the whole head) - the issue at hand being that with various hairstyles - contact with water is not really a yes yes in these instances.
she advised that in particular to weave-on she just left a bit of her scalp free at the back and touched water with that part;
hmmmm - with regards to myself - i and weaveon dont mix - not that i dont like it but that i cannot reconcile ablution with it - i just have to be able to wipe my hair with water and with a weave on - this does not let me do that effectively.- i dont honestly buy touching part of your head with water - and i know some people just take the weaveon as their hair and just wipe da weave with water - me i canne do that.
i asked other ladies but they were not keen to answer me. i guess for fear that maybe what they have ben doing may be percieved as wrong -but really i am not out to judge i am just looking at a way forward with this issue
if i had this issue with ablution then the greater issue of ghusul will be more apparent -
as a woman - ghusul of incumbent on me after menstruation, after sexual contact -
i remember growing up and the labourious instructions given to us at religious studies - start with washing your privates - then with intention - some long long spill that i have to memorise for washing each part of my body - then pour water on yourself from head to toe - making sure the water reaches every part of your body - then by washing the right side of your body - three times - do not touch your privates( something to that effect) then wash the left side of your body three times - all the time making sure that this is done in silence apart from the dua to make -
too complicated - i am sure at certain times of my growing up depending on which religious book i read, this practice was different when i tried to follow it - it was change after change - well until at least i started to look at the Quran itself -
As far as my knowledge goes - God correct/forgive me if i am wrong - the requirements regarding ghusul - is in relation to having a bath. thats it - it does not give step by step instructions - as is seen with ablution - but just says have a bathe after sexual contact. See 5:6 and 4:43 and 2:222 as verses from the Quran
so these countless changing reauirements (which depends on the religious book that you may be reading and also largly which sub-denomination of faith you follow) were from hadiths.
anyhow to cut the long story short - with regrads to the bathing - this then brings another set of subjective notions -
what exactly constitutes having a bathe - pouring water over your body? and in particular hair?
one can be said to have had a bathe - and may not have washed their hair with it. - when i say wash hair - (i mean pour water over their head.)
and one can also be said to have a bathe and washed their hair.
so in the case of ghusul - wash hair or not wash hair?
my instincts go with wash hair - but if i am nohest my practice is depending on what i have on my hair.
sometimes i may just pour water on my hair, or sometimes i dip my hands in water and rub them all over my scalp my opinion.
when i try to look back to see how other people do it
i think jews regard ghusul (which is mikveh) as imersion in water from head to toe - so this includes wetting the hair. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikveh
I am fascinated regarding interpretation over this aspect - Ultimately God knows best and may He guide us to the truth and grant us the understanding needed to accept it.
i remember i asked one of my muslim friends on how she observed just normal ablution - given that she too like me was prone to changing her hairstyles and unlike me she used weavons - ( these weavons are temporarily atached to the hair in some instancves covering the whole head) - the issue at hand being that with various hairstyles - contact with water is not really a yes yes in these instances.
she advised that in particular to weave-on she just left a bit of her scalp free at the back and touched water with that part;
hmmmm - with regards to myself - i and weaveon dont mix - not that i dont like it but that i cannot reconcile ablution with it - i just have to be able to wipe my hair with water and with a weave on - this does not let me do that effectively.- i dont honestly buy touching part of your head with water - and i know some people just take the weaveon as their hair and just wipe da weave with water - me i canne do that.
i asked other ladies but they were not keen to answer me. i guess for fear that maybe what they have ben doing may be percieved as wrong -but really i am not out to judge i am just looking at a way forward with this issue
if i had this issue with ablution then the greater issue of ghusul will be more apparent -
as a woman - ghusul of incumbent on me after menstruation, after sexual contact -
i remember growing up and the labourious instructions given to us at religious studies - start with washing your privates - then with intention - some long long spill that i have to memorise for washing each part of my body - then pour water on yourself from head to toe - making sure the water reaches every part of your body - then by washing the right side of your body - three times - do not touch your privates( something to that effect) then wash the left side of your body three times - all the time making sure that this is done in silence apart from the dua to make -
too complicated - i am sure at certain times of my growing up depending on which religious book i read, this practice was different when i tried to follow it - it was change after change - well until at least i started to look at the Quran itself -
As far as my knowledge goes - God correct/forgive me if i am wrong - the requirements regarding ghusul - is in relation to having a bath. thats it - it does not give step by step instructions - as is seen with ablution - but just says have a bathe after sexual contact. See 5:6 and 4:43 and 2:222 as verses from the Quran
so these countless changing reauirements (which depends on the religious book that you may be reading and also largly which sub-denomination of faith you follow) were from hadiths.
anyhow to cut the long story short - with regrads to the bathing - this then brings another set of subjective notions -
what exactly constitutes having a bathe - pouring water over your body? and in particular hair?
one can be said to have had a bathe - and may not have washed their hair with it. - when i say wash hair - (i mean pour water over their head.)
and one can also be said to have a bathe and washed their hair.
so in the case of ghusul - wash hair or not wash hair?
my instincts go with wash hair - but if i am nohest my practice is depending on what i have on my hair.
sometimes i may just pour water on my hair, or sometimes i dip my hands in water and rub them all over my scalp my opinion.
when i try to look back to see how other people do it
i think jews regard ghusul (which is mikveh) as imersion in water from head to toe - so this includes wetting the hair. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikveh
i guess there is no issue with wetting the hair - the actual issue lies when you have done your hair and it i snot practical to wet it??
but then God word/command over vanity of this life???
i guess it is clear?
Thursday, 22 December 2011
dear God...
Dear Lord,
I need thy help and i need strenght courage and wisdon from thee.
i feel soooooooo lost and i am getting weary.
this year my Lord has tested me in many ways more than one - i have failed thee, i have failed to capture the zest in prayer to thee -
i have let life come before my relationship with thee.
but i am here to thee right now, asking for thy helping hand.
forvever my lord, le me be devoted to thee - to praise and exalt, to magnify and honour thee.
i have failed thee in that i have let life and mounting pressures disuade me from my obligations to thee - of that i stand guilty - and in as much as i confess - i put myself at thy feet - seeking mercy and comfort from thee.
you have provided me with a wonderful bounty - of which i am continually asking for good health and guidance with regards to it.. i need your help o lord.
tomorrow is my birthday - i will be 32 i guess, somepart of me is thinking i am suffering from some sort of depression - i feel so alone and lost - on a physical sense i feel alone - on a spiritual sense i feel lost - i need to find my way back to thee - to capture the zest to be able to sift through the maze of life with its misinformation with regards to thee - the only one i can rely on is you.
even your scriptures to an extent people have tainted with mistranslation - thereby confusing and confounding matters - but true understanding and knowledge lies with thee o Lord and you impart such knowledge unto whomever you will.
i need thee o lord for i dont know what to do - i need thee o lord
Dear lord, guide me to thee in this life and hereafter - thereby making my heart cognisant with your praise and worship - guide me to thee with thy light which illuminates all things 0 take me out of teh darkness which seems to cloud my days .
moving forward i ask for a good delivery, a healthy child - a righteous child - abled bodied with all faculties of hearing, speech, understanding - a child that will be devoted to thee as well - who will join me in praising and worshipping thee.
moving forward i ask for resolution of financial isues - i ask for approval and success from thee with work.
moving forward my lord i ask for contentment and happiness in all that i am and do
moving forward i ask thee o lord for forgiveness of my sins - keep me away from sin and evil and keep them away from me. keep my heart devoted to thee - through worship and praise, keep me glorifying thee night and day. let me never tire in this regard and let me not waiver in my obligations to thee. help me to understand my obligations - to understand them in truth and with logic in order that i may excel in them.
there is so much falseness and untruth in life - help me to overcome them - any obstacle in front of me help me to scale them.
my Lord i am needing thee more and more - i feel no guilt coming to thee for thou art my Lord - thou art my provider, my only source of help and comfort.
i need thee o lord i need thee
I need thy help and i need strenght courage and wisdon from thee.
i feel soooooooo lost and i am getting weary.
this year my Lord has tested me in many ways more than one - i have failed thee, i have failed to capture the zest in prayer to thee -
i have let life come before my relationship with thee.
but i am here to thee right now, asking for thy helping hand.
forvever my lord, le me be devoted to thee - to praise and exalt, to magnify and honour thee.
i have failed thee in that i have let life and mounting pressures disuade me from my obligations to thee - of that i stand guilty - and in as much as i confess - i put myself at thy feet - seeking mercy and comfort from thee.
you have provided me with a wonderful bounty - of which i am continually asking for good health and guidance with regards to it.. i need your help o lord.
tomorrow is my birthday - i will be 32 i guess, somepart of me is thinking i am suffering from some sort of depression - i feel so alone and lost - on a physical sense i feel alone - on a spiritual sense i feel lost - i need to find my way back to thee - to capture the zest to be able to sift through the maze of life with its misinformation with regards to thee - the only one i can rely on is you.
even your scriptures to an extent people have tainted with mistranslation - thereby confusing and confounding matters - but true understanding and knowledge lies with thee o Lord and you impart such knowledge unto whomever you will.
i need thee o lord for i dont know what to do - i need thee o lord
Dear lord, guide me to thee in this life and hereafter - thereby making my heart cognisant with your praise and worship - guide me to thee with thy light which illuminates all things 0 take me out of teh darkness which seems to cloud my days .
moving forward i ask for a good delivery, a healthy child - a righteous child - abled bodied with all faculties of hearing, speech, understanding - a child that will be devoted to thee as well - who will join me in praising and worshipping thee.
moving forward i ask for resolution of financial isues - i ask for approval and success from thee with work.
moving forward my lord i ask for contentment and happiness in all that i am and do
moving forward i ask thee o lord for forgiveness of my sins - keep me away from sin and evil and keep them away from me. keep my heart devoted to thee - through worship and praise, keep me glorifying thee night and day. let me never tire in this regard and let me not waiver in my obligations to thee. help me to understand my obligations - to understand them in truth and with logic in order that i may excel in them.
there is so much falseness and untruth in life - help me to overcome them - any obstacle in front of me help me to scale them.
my Lord i am needing thee more and more - i feel no guilt coming to thee for thou art my Lord - thou art my provider, my only source of help and comfort.
i need thee o lord i need thee
Sunday, 18 December 2011
feelings...
right now i am not happy my lord so i seek courage from Thee,
i seek patience and guidance on this path that i have facing me.
the whole past episodes have left a bitter taste in my mouth, it is making me regret, making me reconsider because i cannot seem to rationalise how the one i love can be this way.
whilst now he is trying i am afraid it may be late -
All i keep getting played back in my head is all the past irrational behaviours - how is it that one can change like that.
life is ever changing - i know that i am not saying i am perfect and without blame myself - but all this emotional state that i am i snot helping me in the slightest.
i am not happy where i am becauase i have been bullied to come here - and i have to acknowledge that it is bullying. my last experience here was not that great and i was reluctant to come back -
my Lord i am in dire need of your Help and guidance....
i seek patience and guidance on this path that i have facing me.
the whole past episodes have left a bitter taste in my mouth, it is making me regret, making me reconsider because i cannot seem to rationalise how the one i love can be this way.
whilst now he is trying i am afraid it may be late -
All i keep getting played back in my head is all the past irrational behaviours - how is it that one can change like that.
life is ever changing - i know that i am not saying i am perfect and without blame myself - but all this emotional state that i am i snot helping me in the slightest.
i am not happy where i am becauase i have been bullied to come here - and i have to acknowledge that it is bullying. my last experience here was not that great and i was reluctant to come back -
my Lord i am in dire need of your Help and guidance....
Sunday, 4 December 2011
fallgate...
"i dont know what my reaction will be after fallgate as this is the first time that we will see.. maybe its petty but i cant seem to get it out of my mind. i am still trying to understand/analyse how it all happened and sometimes when i think of it, it gets me upset at him.....I m trying to be positive about it, yes!! prayer is the key i keep forgetting that.... i just ask myself where is my prince charmin... seems i got a devil in disguise... but i dont want to believe that because God works in ways that we do nto understand.. and i trust God sent this man for me.... so i am still hoping"
such was the conversation and how it began.
fallgate..
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let me no lie my dear Lord, i am afraid... afraid of the uncertainty that lies ahead of me.. afraid that the person i love does not really love me but married me for "marry sake".. i am afraid that i have yet fallen into another gullible test again and let it defeat me...
i am afraid my Lord.. but as i said earlier.. prayer is the key.. with you there is hope and light and with you, i cannot let fear to become a hinderance on me...
so boldly in the name of God i will to to this place..
just as it is in the scripture - when noah says - in the name of God shall be its sailing and its moorings( khalifa translation 11:41) so i too Gw say in the name of God shall be my depature and arrival....
i trust in thee heavily dear Lord, of this i have no choice nor do i seek to have a choice..
you are the Lord who has looked after me from infancy, cared for me, sustained me, guided me and inspired me.. i seek to rely on thee heavily these coming months and forever after and i ask for your help and blessings, your guidance, patience, inspiration and care and good favour...
i fear that i am weak, but whence i trust in thee i find strenght..
i have asked from thee and you have given me...what a remarkable feeling to say that i asked of the Lord and He answered me... i beg of thee to please make things ok and alright,
fallgate, still pizzles me tho
such was the conversation and how it began.
fallgate..
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let me no lie my dear Lord, i am afraid... afraid of the uncertainty that lies ahead of me.. afraid that the person i love does not really love me but married me for "marry sake".. i am afraid that i have yet fallen into another gullible test again and let it defeat me...
i am afraid my Lord.. but as i said earlier.. prayer is the key.. with you there is hope and light and with you, i cannot let fear to become a hinderance on me...
so boldly in the name of God i will to to this place..
just as it is in the scripture - when noah says - in the name of God shall be its sailing and its moorings( khalifa translation 11:41) so i too Gw say in the name of God shall be my depature and arrival....
i trust in thee heavily dear Lord, of this i have no choice nor do i seek to have a choice..
you are the Lord who has looked after me from infancy, cared for me, sustained me, guided me and inspired me.. i seek to rely on thee heavily these coming months and forever after and i ask for your help and blessings, your guidance, patience, inspiration and care and good favour...
i fear that i am weak, but whence i trust in thee i find strenght..
i have asked from thee and you have given me...what a remarkable feeling to say that i asked of the Lord and He answered me... i beg of thee to please make things ok and alright,
fallgate, still pizzles me tho
to be continued....
Quranic Salat
The numbers of regular daily prayers “Salat” mentioned by their respective names in Arabic as a “term” in the “Quran” are “three” as follows:
1- Salat Fajr (صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ) (Dawn Prayer), (Sura Al-Nur 24:58).
2- Al-Salat Al-Wusta (الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى) or (الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ ) (or The Middle Prayer), (Sura Al-Baqarah 2:238) and (Sura Al-Isra 17:78).
3- Salat Isha’a (صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ) (Night Prayer), (Sura Al-Nur 24:58).
Note that (الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى) in (Sura Al-Baqarah 2:238) and (الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ ) in (Sura Al-Isra 17:78) are the same “Salat” because these both “Salat” has (ال) common with them indicating that these are the same “Salat” as compared to (صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ) and (صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ) which are without (ال) with word (صَلَاةِِ).
(ال) in Arabic is equivalent to the word “The” in English, indicating the importance of the middle prayer.
The following three “Salat” which are not mentioned in “Quran” by their names as a “term” in Arabic are as:
1- Salat Dhuhr (ظهر).
2- Salat Asr (عصر).
3- Salat Maghrib (مغرب).
Although, the words “Dhuhr (ظهر)”, “Asr (عصر)” and “Maghrib (مغرب)” are used in Quran but not as a “Term” defining “Salat”. In Sura Al-Nur 24: 58, the word “noon” is used but not as a “Salat Time” or as a “Salat Al-Dhuhr” but rather than as a “Time of Privacy/Rest Time”. For references and proof of the fact stated above, read the following verses in the Quran in Arabic & English.
حَافِظُواْ عَلَى الصَّلَوَاتِ والصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى وَقُومُواْ لِلّهِ قَانِتِينَ
(Sura Al-Baqarah 2:238).
Guard strictly your (habit of) prayers, especially the Middle Prayer; and stand before Allah in a devout (frame of mind). (Sura Al-Baqarah 2:238).
أَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا
(Sura Al-Isra 17:78).
Establish regular prayers – at the sun’s decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading: for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony. (Sura Al-Isra 17:78).
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِيَسْتَأْذِنكُمُ الَّذِينَ مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ وَالَّذِينَ لَمْ يَبْلُغُوا الْحُلُمَ مِنكُمْ ثَلَاثَ مَرَّاتٍ مِن قَبْلِ صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ وَحِينَ تَضَعُونَ ثِيَابَكُم مِّنَ الظَّهِيرَةِ وَمِن بَعْدِ صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ ثَلَاثُ عَوْرَاتٍ لَّكُمْ لَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلَا عَلَيْهِمْ جُنَاحٌ بَعْدَهُنَّ طَوَّافُونَ عَلَيْكُم بَعْضُكُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ كَذَلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمُ الْآيَاتِ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
(Sura Al-Nur 24: 58.).
O ye who believe! let those whom your right hand possess, and those of you, who have not reached puberty, ask leave of you at three times before coming into your private apartments -before the Morning Prayer (Salat Al-Fajr), and when you lay aside your clothes at noon (in summer) and after the night Prayer (Salat Al-Esha). These are the three times of privacy for you. At other times there is no blame on you nor on them, for some of you have to attend upon others and to move about freely according to need. Thus does Allah make plain to you the Signs; for Allah is All-Knowing, Wise. (Sura Al-Nur 24: 58.).
copied from link - http://pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/05/17/salat-of-quran/
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tyhe five salat that i know of are as follows - Fajr/suhbi - Dhur - Asr - Maghrib - Isha
subhi is in the quran - but not used in connotation of prayer...
using the web qt programme but searching the word mornng - one can see the translator interchangable usage of he word...
i am finding this interesting
The search found 18 match(es) for the word morning:
3:72
Khalifa
Some followers of the scripture say, "Believe in what was sent down to the believers in the morning, and reject it in the evening; maybe someday they will revert.
6:60
Khalifa
He is the One who puts you to death during the night, and knows even the smallest of your actions during the day. He resurrects you every morning, until your life span is fulfilled, then to Him is your ultimate return. He will then inform you of everything you had done.
6:96
Khalifa
At the crack of dawn, He causes the morning to emerge. He made the night still, and He rendered the sun and the moon to serve as calculation devices. Such is the design of the Almighty, the Omniscient.
11:81
Khalifa
(The angels) said, "O Lot, we are your Lord's messengers, and these people cannot touch you. You shall leave with your family during the night, and let not anyone of you look back, except your wife; she is condemned along with those who are condemned. Their appointed time is the morning. Is not the morning soon enough?"
13:15
Khalifa
To GOD prostrates everyone in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and so do their shadows in the mornings and the evenings.
15:66
Khalifa
We delivered to him this command: those people are to be annihilated in the morning.
15:73
Khalifa
Consequently, the disaster struck them in the morning.
15:83
Khalifa
The disaster hit them in the morning.
28:18
Khalifa
In the morning, he was in the city, afraid and watchful. The one who sought his help yesterday, asked for his help again. Moses said to him, "You are really a troublemaker."
29:37
Khalifa
They disbelieved him and, consequently, the earthquake annihilated them; they were left dead in their homes by morning.
30:17
Khalifa
Therefore, you shall glorify GOD when you retire at night, and when you rise in the morning.
46:25
Khalifa
It destroyed everything, as commanded by its Lord. By morning, nothing was standing except their homes. We thus requite the guilty people.
54:38
Khalifa
Early the next morning, a devastating retribution struck them.
68:17
Khalifa
We have tested them like we tested the owners of the garden who swore that they will harvest it in the morning.
68:20
Khalifa
By morning, it was barren.
68:21
Khalifa
They called on each other in the morning.
74:34
Khalifa
And the morning as it shines.
81:18
Khalifa
And the morn as it breathes.
100:3
Khalifa
Invading (the enemy) by morning.
MAGHRIB... correst transation is not evening but west - this is my undersatanding
2:115
Walillahi almashriqu waalmaghribu faaynama tuwalloo fathamma wajhu Allahi inna Allaha wasiAAun AAaleemun
2:142
Sayaqoolu alssufahao mina alnnasi ma wallahum AAan qiblatihimu allatee kanoo AAalayha qul lillahi almashriqu waalmaghribu yahdee man yashao ila siratin mustaqeemin
2:177
Laysa albirra an tuwalloo wujoohakum qibala almashriqi waalmaghribi walakinna albirra man amana biAllahi waalyawmi alakhiri waalmalaikati waalkitabi waalnnabiyyeena waata almala AAala hubbihi thawee alqurba waalyatama waalmasakeena waibna alssabeeli waalssaileena wafee alrriqabi waaqama alssalata waata alzzakata waalmoofoona biAAahdihim itha AAahadoo waalssabireena fee albasai waalddarrai waheena albasi olaika allatheena sadaqoo waolaika humu almuttaqoona
2:258
Alam tara ila allathee hajja ibraheema fee rabbihi an atahu Allahu almulka ith qala ibraheemu rabbiya allathee yuhyee wayumeetu qala ana ohyee waomeetu qala ibraheemu fainna Allaha yatee bialshshamsi mina almashriqi fati biha mina almaghribi fabuhita allathee kafara waAllahu la yahdee alqawma alththalimeena
18:86 - in this maghriba al shamsi -is described as setting of the sun - if we agree that sum is shams - then the action of setting is the maghriba
Hatta itha balagha maghriba alshshamsi wajadaha taghrubu fee AAaynin hamiatin wawajada AAindaha qawman qulna ya tha alqarnayni imma an tuAAaththiba waimma an tattakhitha feehim husnan
Khalifa - When he reached the far west, he found the sun setting in a vast ocean, and found people there. We said, "O Zul-Qarnain, you can rule as you wish; either punish, or be kind to them."
Yusuf Ali - Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
Pickthal - Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
Shakir - Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.
Sher Ali - Until when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting as if in a pool of murky water, and near it he found a people. WE said, `O Dhu'l Qarnain, you may punish them, or treat them with kindness.'
"Progressive Muslims" - Until he reached the setting of the sun, and he found it setting at a boiling lake, and he found near it a people. We said: "O two horned one, either you are to punish, or you are to do them good."
26:28 -maghribi is translated as west in this verse
Qala rabbu almashriqi waalmaghribi wama baynahuma in kuntum taAAqiloona
Khalifa - He said, "The Lord of the east and the west, and everything between them, if you understand."
Yusuf Ali - (Moses) said: "Lord of the East and the West, and all between! if ye only had sense!"
Pickthal - He said: Lord of the East and the West and all that is between them, if ye did but understand.
Shakir - He said: The Lord of the east and the west and what is between them, if you understand.
Sher Ali - Moses Said, `The Lord of the East and of the West, and of all that is between the two, if only you have sense.'
"Progressive Muslims" - He said: "The Lord of the east and the west, and what is between them, if you understand."
55:17
Rabbu almashriqayni warabbu almaghribayni
73:9
Rabbu almashriqi waalmaghribi la ilaha illa huwa faittakhithhu wakeelan
AASRI - some translate as afternoon, some translate as "a time" i can only find one - with arabic - ain, sad, ra
103:1
Waalaaasri
By the time -
By the afternoon - Khalifa
DHURI
The numbers of regular daily prayers “Salat” mentioned by their respective names in Arabic as a “term” in the “Quran” are “three” as follows:
1- Salat Fajr (صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ) (Dawn Prayer), (Sura Al-Nur 24:58).
2- Al-Salat Al-Wusta (الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى) or (الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ ) (or The Middle Prayer), (Sura Al-Baqarah 2:238) and (Sura Al-Isra 17:78).
3- Salat Isha’a (صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ) (Night Prayer), (Sura Al-Nur 24:58).
Note that (الصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى) in (Sura Al-Baqarah 2:238) and (الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ ) in (Sura Al-Isra 17:78) are the same “Salat” because these both “Salat” has (ال) common with them indicating that these are the same “Salat” as compared to (صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ) and (صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ) which are without (ال) with word (صَلَاةِِ).
(ال) in Arabic is equivalent to the word “The” in English, indicating the importance of the middle prayer.
The following three “Salat” which are not mentioned in “Quran” by their names as a “term” in Arabic are as:
1- Salat Dhuhr (ظهر).
2- Salat Asr (عصر).
3- Salat Maghrib (مغرب).
Although, the words “Dhuhr (ظهر)”, “Asr (عصر)” and “Maghrib (مغرب)” are used in Quran but not as a “Term” defining “Salat”. In Sura Al-Nur 24: 58, the word “noon” is used but not as a “Salat Time” or as a “Salat Al-Dhuhr” but rather than as a “Time of Privacy/Rest Time”. For references and proof of the fact stated above, read the following verses in the Quran in Arabic & English.
حَافِظُواْ عَلَى الصَّلَوَاتِ والصَّلاَةِ الْوُسْطَى وَقُومُواْ لِلّهِ قَانِتِينَ
(Sura Al-Baqarah 2:238).
Guard strictly your (habit of) prayers, especially the Middle Prayer; and stand before Allah in a devout (frame of mind). (Sura Al-Baqarah 2:238).
أَقِمِ الصَّلاَةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَى غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا
(Sura Al-Isra 17:78).
Establish regular prayers – at the sun’s decline till the darkness of the night, and the morning prayer and reading: for the prayer and reading in the morning carry their testimony. (Sura Al-Isra 17:78).
يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِيَسْتَأْذِنكُمُ الَّذِينَ مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ وَالَّذِينَ لَمْ يَبْلُغُوا الْحُلُمَ مِنكُمْ ثَلَاثَ مَرَّاتٍ مِن قَبْلِ صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ وَحِينَ تَضَعُونَ ثِيَابَكُم مِّنَ الظَّهِيرَةِ وَمِن بَعْدِ صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ ثَلَاثُ عَوْرَاتٍ لَّكُمْ لَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلَا عَلَيْهِمْ جُنَاحٌ بَعْدَهُنَّ طَوَّافُونَ عَلَيْكُم بَعْضُكُمْ عَلَى بَعْضٍ كَذَلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمُ الْآيَاتِ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
(Sura Al-Nur 24: 58.).
O ye who believe! let those whom your right hand possess, and those of you, who have not reached puberty, ask leave of you at three times before coming into your private apartments -before the Morning Prayer (Salat Al-Fajr), and when you lay aside your clothes at noon (in summer) and after the night Prayer (Salat Al-Esha). These are the three times of privacy for you. At other times there is no blame on you nor on them, for some of you have to attend upon others and to move about freely according to need. Thus does Allah make plain to you the Signs; for Allah is All-Knowing, Wise. (Sura Al-Nur 24: 58.).
copied from link - http://pressthat.wordpress.com/2007/05/17/salat-of-quran/
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tyhe five salat that i know of are as follows - Fajr/suhbi - Dhur - Asr - Maghrib - Isha
subhi is in the quran - but not used in connotation of prayer...
using the web qt programme but searching the word mornng - one can see the translator interchangable usage of he word...
i am finding this interesting
The search found 18 match(es) for the word morning:
3:72
Khalifa
Some followers of the scripture say, "Believe in what was sent down to the believers in the morning, and reject it in the evening; maybe someday they will revert.
6:60
Khalifa
He is the One who puts you to death during the night, and knows even the smallest of your actions during the day. He resurrects you every morning, until your life span is fulfilled, then to Him is your ultimate return. He will then inform you of everything you had done.
6:96
Khalifa
At the crack of dawn, He causes the morning to emerge. He made the night still, and He rendered the sun and the moon to serve as calculation devices. Such is the design of the Almighty, the Omniscient.
11:81
Khalifa
(The angels) said, "O Lot, we are your Lord's messengers, and these people cannot touch you. You shall leave with your family during the night, and let not anyone of you look back, except your wife; she is condemned along with those who are condemned. Their appointed time is the morning. Is not the morning soon enough?"
13:15
Khalifa
To GOD prostrates everyone in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and so do their shadows in the mornings and the evenings.
15:66
Khalifa
We delivered to him this command: those people are to be annihilated in the morning.
15:73
Khalifa
Consequently, the disaster struck them in the morning.
15:83
Khalifa
The disaster hit them in the morning.
28:18
Khalifa
In the morning, he was in the city, afraid and watchful. The one who sought his help yesterday, asked for his help again. Moses said to him, "You are really a troublemaker."
29:37
Khalifa
They disbelieved him and, consequently, the earthquake annihilated them; they were left dead in their homes by morning.
30:17
Khalifa
Therefore, you shall glorify GOD when you retire at night, and when you rise in the morning.
46:25
Khalifa
It destroyed everything, as commanded by its Lord. By morning, nothing was standing except their homes. We thus requite the guilty people.
54:38
Khalifa
Early the next morning, a devastating retribution struck them.
68:17
Khalifa
We have tested them like we tested the owners of the garden who swore that they will harvest it in the morning.
68:20
Khalifa
By morning, it was barren.
68:21
Khalifa
They called on each other in the morning.
74:34
Khalifa
And the morning as it shines.
81:18
Khalifa
And the morn as it breathes.
100:3
Khalifa
Invading (the enemy) by morning.
MAGHRIB... correst transation is not evening but west - this is my undersatanding
2:115
Walillahi almashriqu waalmaghribu faaynama tuwalloo fathamma wajhu Allahi inna Allaha wasiAAun AAaleemun
2:142
Sayaqoolu alssufahao mina alnnasi ma wallahum AAan qiblatihimu allatee kanoo AAalayha qul lillahi almashriqu waalmaghribu yahdee man yashao ila siratin mustaqeemin
2:177
Laysa albirra an tuwalloo wujoohakum qibala almashriqi waalmaghribi walakinna albirra man amana biAllahi waalyawmi alakhiri waalmalaikati waalkitabi waalnnabiyyeena waata almala AAala hubbihi thawee alqurba waalyatama waalmasakeena waibna alssabeeli waalssaileena wafee alrriqabi waaqama alssalata waata alzzakata waalmoofoona biAAahdihim itha AAahadoo waalssabireena fee albasai waalddarrai waheena albasi olaika allatheena sadaqoo waolaika humu almuttaqoona
2:258
Alam tara ila allathee hajja ibraheema fee rabbihi an atahu Allahu almulka ith qala ibraheemu rabbiya allathee yuhyee wayumeetu qala ana ohyee waomeetu qala ibraheemu fainna Allaha yatee bialshshamsi mina almashriqi fati biha mina almaghribi fabuhita allathee kafara waAllahu la yahdee alqawma alththalimeena
18:86 - in this maghriba al shamsi -is described as setting of the sun - if we agree that sum is shams - then the action of setting is the maghriba
Hatta itha balagha maghriba alshshamsi wajadaha taghrubu fee AAaynin hamiatin wawajada AAindaha qawman qulna ya tha alqarnayni imma an tuAAaththiba waimma an tattakhitha feehim husnan
Khalifa - When he reached the far west, he found the sun setting in a vast ocean, and found people there. We said, "O Zul-Qarnain, you can rule as you wish; either punish, or be kind to them."
Yusuf Ali - Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: Near it he found a People: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
Pickthal - Till, when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring, and found a people thereabout. We said: O Dhu'l-Qarneyn! Either punish or show them kindness.
Shakir - Until when he reached the place where the sun set, he found it going down into a black sea, and found by it a people. We said: O Zulqarnain! either give them a chastisement or do them a benefit.
Sher Ali - Until when he reached the setting-place of the sun, he found it setting as if in a pool of murky water, and near it he found a people. WE said, `O Dhu'l Qarnain, you may punish them, or treat them with kindness.'
"Progressive Muslims" - Until he reached the setting of the sun, and he found it setting at a boiling lake, and he found near it a people. We said: "O two horned one, either you are to punish, or you are to do them good."
26:28 -maghribi is translated as west in this verse
Qala rabbu almashriqi waalmaghribi wama baynahuma in kuntum taAAqiloona
Khalifa - He said, "The Lord of the east and the west, and everything between them, if you understand."
Yusuf Ali - (Moses) said: "Lord of the East and the West, and all between! if ye only had sense!"
Pickthal - He said: Lord of the East and the West and all that is between them, if ye did but understand.
Shakir - He said: The Lord of the east and the west and what is between them, if you understand.
Sher Ali - Moses Said, `The Lord of the East and of the West, and of all that is between the two, if only you have sense.'
"Progressive Muslims" - He said: "The Lord of the east and the west, and what is between them, if you understand."
55:17
Rabbu almashriqayni warabbu almaghribayni
73:9
Rabbu almashriqi waalmaghribi la ilaha illa huwa faittakhithhu wakeelan
AASRI - some translate as afternoon, some translate as "a time" i can only find one - with arabic - ain, sad, ra
103:1
Waalaaasri
By the time -
By the afternoon - Khalifa
DHURI
Wednesday, 21 September 2011
Have no fear for the Lord is always with thee
the other day, i wrote i was afraid and today i am inspired - all by Gods grace.
on submission.org and learned about the mathematical miracle of the number 19 in the Quran!
however, I branched off from submission.org, because i believed in the message of Rashad, which was to follow the Quran alone. - this has always been the message of Rashad - i believe - (since the Quran only states 3 names of prayer, and the 2.5% is totally not in the Quran but from tradition. Not to mention that it is illogical since most people did not even know simple math back then in the dark ages!!! how would they fair then with 1/40) i would have to agree with him as i can only find 3 salat mentioned in Quran too - and this 2.5 tax thing - i have never understood it - how we came at 2.5 which is not in the quran is amazing - i dont understand how in some parts we are asked to follow Quran alone - the Quran is complete and in some parts we take from hadith. (Another thing is the deletion of the two verse at the end of sura 9, which is hypocritical to God's decree of "no falsehood can enter into it!!!..." (41:42) (I like the free-minds explanation of sura 9 being a Law-decreeing sura (Muhkim) = featuring fighting)
*This is when it hits me when God tells us that he allows the devil to put falsehood in EVERY prophet/messenger he sends. God then leaves what the devil fabricated to be a test, and then rules with his Revelations/Words! - i have not even thought about this at all - so have nocomments on it
*Another good point for the submitters out there is that Rashad even stated in his great debate video something like ' if i tell you to do something that's not in the Quran, do NOT do it'. Thus again, confirming the message from God (Quran Alone), and debasing the errors of the human messenger, (even the Prophet Muhammed erred when he forbid something that was lawful to him in sura 66, thus human messengers do err!).
This is when i had to re-change my beliefs - i would not say this is a change in belief but rather a change in approach to prayer - belief is all about God - prayer is a worship requirement - again, from doing 5 salats to 3 salats.
During the 2yr period of my renaissance and cleaving to God, i became zealous and started to research my way into the Torah/Tanakh and the entire bible. This is when by God's grace, I found out that God's chosen religion (Submission/Abrahamic Monothiesm) has really been the same; the salat and zakat being the main components for the rememberance of God. While the laws and commandments differ (by God's leave) - i wholly agree with this rationale - as i have said so many times - belief in God salat and zakat are the three main tennents - why we want to forget that i dont know.
I even started to learn to read biblical Hebrew, and just found it absolutely fantastic to see the similarities between the Biblical Hebrew and the Quranic Arabic words.
Such an instance is when God calls moses out of the burning bush and tells him to take off his shoes, in Arabic "ya mosa inani ana allahu" and "f'Ekhla3 na3laik" and in Hebrew God states it as "moshe moshe h'inani..." and " Shel n3lekha m3l reglekha!" (Exodus 3:4 and Quran 27:9 & 20:12) (Such instances taken with great appreciation!)
By God's grace, i also found out the roots of the Salat and the Zakat fro the previous scriptures.
First to mention is Abraham prayed to God to make him one of those who do their Salats (Quran 14:40) and to show him the rights of his religion (Quran 2:128). Second, God tells the children of Israel in the Quran of his conditional support, "I am with you if you establish Salat, and Give the zakat....." (5:12), thus the children of Israel must have known how to do the salat and give the zakat! God then tells us that generations came by and LOST their salat! Quran 19:59) Hence:
Salat is equivilant of the Aramaic 'sloota' (Prayer) and the Hebrew Tfillah (prayer) or Amidah (standing prayer) Which is basically the 3 daily prayers: evening, morning, and noon (see psalm 55:17, Daniel 6:10, and the New Testament's times for prayer 3rth, 6th, and 9th hours, all of which shadow the Quran's 3 names of prayer (Dawn, evening, and middle prayer Quran 24:58 and 2:238)
Watch the Original Jewish Amidah (Standing Prayer)
salat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg i have just viewed this and it is awfully inspiring.
*Notice the similarities between the motions and the standard muslim movements,
see laws of the Amidah, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, 18:12 at http://www.yonanewman.org/kizzur/kizzur18.html#12
*Also see Abraham's explanation of prayer http://www.torah.org/learning/rambam/tf.html#
*it is also noteworthy to mention that the Amidah (standing prayer/Salat) has 19 Blessings to be recited! (can be found at http://www.hebrew4christians.com/) -
Zakat is equivilant to the Aebrew 'tzadakha' (charity) which is the 10% tithe throughout the Old testament AND the New testament). (i.e Abraham gives the priest MelechZedek 10%, Jacob vows a vow to give God 10%, God reprimands the children of Israel for not giving the 10% tithe). God changes this 10% tithe to the "the extra/Awf" that we have in 2:219 Quran)
i researched this before and i came across 10% too which is mentioned as tithe which is zakat i think - but i am inclined towards the excess rather than 10% and rather than 2.5 of which i can find no evidence other than some people saying it is in hadith - there is no 2.5 on what to give as charity that i can find in quran - and i have to agree at his logic to - how would those days would anyone know what 2.5% is to be??
Rememberence:
Most importantly however, is to Remember God always, because almost everything we do: (salat/zakat/pray/glorify/praise/thank/ask for forgivness/submit by following commandments) is to REMEMBER GOD!
As he stated " so Remember me, that i remember you..." (Quran 2:148)
i stumbled on a post http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9602898.0 from someone who like me is searching on his journey to god alone and i am inspired.
i have not posted it all but taken that which i find inspiring
on submission.org and learned about the mathematical miracle of the number 19 in the Quran!
however, I branched off from submission.org, because i believed in the message of Rashad, which was to follow the Quran alone. - this has always been the message of Rashad - i believe - (since the Quran only states 3 names of prayer, and the 2.5% is totally not in the Quran but from tradition. Not to mention that it is illogical since most people did not even know simple math back then in the dark ages!!! how would they fair then with 1/40) i would have to agree with him as i can only find 3 salat mentioned in Quran too - and this 2.5 tax thing - i have never understood it - how we came at 2.5 which is not in the quran is amazing - i dont understand how in some parts we are asked to follow Quran alone - the Quran is complete and in some parts we take from hadith. (Another thing is the deletion of the two verse at the end of sura 9, which is hypocritical to God's decree of "no falsehood can enter into it!!!..." (41:42) (I like the free-minds explanation of sura 9 being a Law-decreeing sura (Muhkim) = featuring fighting)
*This is when it hits me when God tells us that he allows the devil to put falsehood in EVERY prophet/messenger he sends. God then leaves what the devil fabricated to be a test, and then rules with his Revelations/Words! - i have not even thought about this at all - so have nocomments on it
*Another good point for the submitters out there is that Rashad even stated in his great debate video something like ' if i tell you to do something that's not in the Quran, do NOT do it'. Thus again, confirming the message from God (Quran Alone), and debasing the errors of the human messenger, (even the Prophet Muhammed erred when he forbid something that was lawful to him in sura 66, thus human messengers do err!).
This is when i had to re-change my beliefs - i would not say this is a change in belief but rather a change in approach to prayer - belief is all about God - prayer is a worship requirement - again, from doing 5 salats to 3 salats.
During the 2yr period of my renaissance and cleaving to God, i became zealous and started to research my way into the Torah/Tanakh and the entire bible. This is when by God's grace, I found out that God's chosen religion (Submission/Abrahamic Monothiesm) has really been the same; the salat and zakat being the main components for the rememberance of God. While the laws and commandments differ (by God's leave) - i wholly agree with this rationale - as i have said so many times - belief in God salat and zakat are the three main tennents - why we want to forget that i dont know.
I even started to learn to read biblical Hebrew, and just found it absolutely fantastic to see the similarities between the Biblical Hebrew and the Quranic Arabic words.
Such an instance is when God calls moses out of the burning bush and tells him to take off his shoes, in Arabic "ya mosa inani ana allahu" and "f'Ekhla3 na3laik" and in Hebrew God states it as "moshe moshe h'inani..." and " Shel n3lekha m3l reglekha!" (Exodus 3:4 and Quran 27:9 & 20:12) (Such instances taken with great appreciation!)
By God's grace, i also found out the roots of the Salat and the Zakat fro the previous scriptures.
First to mention is Abraham prayed to God to make him one of those who do their Salats (Quran 14:40) and to show him the rights of his religion (Quran 2:128). Second, God tells the children of Israel in the Quran of his conditional support, "I am with you if you establish Salat, and Give the zakat....." (5:12), thus the children of Israel must have known how to do the salat and give the zakat! God then tells us that generations came by and LOST their salat! Quran 19:59) Hence:
Salat is equivilant of the Aramaic 'sloota' (Prayer) and the Hebrew Tfillah (prayer) or Amidah (standing prayer) Which is basically the 3 daily prayers: evening, morning, and noon (see psalm 55:17, Daniel 6:10, and the New Testament's times for prayer 3rth, 6th, and 9th hours, all of which shadow the Quran's 3 names of prayer (Dawn, evening, and middle prayer Quran 24:58 and 2:238)
Watch the Original Jewish Amidah (Standing Prayer)
salat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aHWASyMjwg i have just viewed this and it is awfully inspiring.
*Notice the similarities between the motions and the standard muslim movements,
see laws of the Amidah, Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, 18:12 at http://www.yonanewman.org/kizzur/kizzur18.html#12
*Also see Abraham's explanation of prayer http://www.torah.org/learning/rambam/tf.html#
*it is also noteworthy to mention that the Amidah (standing prayer/Salat) has 19 Blessings to be recited! (can be found at http://www.hebrew4christians.com/) -
Zakat is equivilant to the Aebrew 'tzadakha' (charity) which is the 10% tithe throughout the Old testament AND the New testament). (i.e Abraham gives the priest MelechZedek 10%, Jacob vows a vow to give God 10%, God reprimands the children of Israel for not giving the 10% tithe). God changes this 10% tithe to the "the extra/Awf" that we have in 2:219 Quran)
i researched this before and i came across 10% too which is mentioned as tithe which is zakat i think - but i am inclined towards the excess rather than 10% and rather than 2.5 of which i can find no evidence other than some people saying it is in hadith - there is no 2.5 on what to give as charity that i can find in quran - and i have to agree at his logic to - how would those days would anyone know what 2.5% is to be??
Rememberence:
Most importantly however, is to Remember God always, because almost everything we do: (salat/zakat/pray/glorify/praise/thank/ask for forgivness/submit by following commandments) is to REMEMBER GOD!
As he stated " so Remember me, that i remember you..." (Quran 2:148)
Sunday, 18 September 2011
afraid...
i am afraid Lord, I am afraid...
i am afraid that just like those before us - we have become conditioned to find a new way and accept it despite the errors that we may see, despite the things which dont make sense - we just go on and dont question in the hope that further down the line a solution may arise.
but God, trust in thee alone i guess means questioning when something does not seem right - when we are asked to follow a little but of this and a little bit of that because we dont know the real reason or answer..
i am afraid Lord - for i dont know where it will end.
it is just like someone telling me that the Quran says we must translate the Quran into. languages and i challenged them to show me a verse that says that.
Fact is that i cannot find such verse that states in the Quran that the Quran should be traslated.
rather it is someones own logic that in order to preach the Quran one may need to translate it.
but we should never forget - Quran was revealed in Arabic - the issue with translation - any translation at all is that it is subjective to the translators own understanding and knowledge - rather i will advise people to research as many translations as they can find and God willing God will help with the understanding and finding the right context in which to relate to the verses.
this world my Lord i dont understand... i can only ask your help to guide me to thee - above all the falsehood that there is, above all the mediocrity that there is.. surely the Truth will reign over falsehood.
i am afraid that just like those before us - we have become conditioned to find a new way and accept it despite the errors that we may see, despite the things which dont make sense - we just go on and dont question in the hope that further down the line a solution may arise.
but God, trust in thee alone i guess means questioning when something does not seem right - when we are asked to follow a little but of this and a little bit of that because we dont know the real reason or answer..
i am afraid Lord - for i dont know where it will end.
it is just like someone telling me that the Quran says we must translate the Quran into. languages and i challenged them to show me a verse that says that.
Fact is that i cannot find such verse that states in the Quran that the Quran should be traslated.
rather it is someones own logic that in order to preach the Quran one may need to translate it.
but we should never forget - Quran was revealed in Arabic - the issue with translation - any translation at all is that it is subjective to the translators own understanding and knowledge - rather i will advise people to research as many translations as they can find and God willing God will help with the understanding and finding the right context in which to relate to the verses.
this world my Lord i dont understand... i can only ask your help to guide me to thee - above all the falsehood that there is, above all the mediocrity that there is.. surely the Truth will reign over falsehood.
Monday, 12 September 2011
Occams Razor - Salat Wusta
i learnt about this today - in relation to a post on fb - regarding some dispute or another ( as is the norm) regarding what is prohobited or not over food in the quran
I quote " Peace, I am a bit disappointed to see that this argument is still causing dispute amongst intelligent submitters. Occams Razor anyone?: "the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one." I know this does not always apply as it is a theory, but I think in most matters concerning Quranic verses, it happens to ring true. Why try to overcomplicate something that is so straightforward in th...e Quran it is mentioned twice in detail, one time just happens to be even more detailed than the other so as to leave little to NO dispute as to what foods are or are not prohibited. As soon as we start attacking others, writing Venn diagrams and essays to prove one moot point, it's time to take a step back and realize you've taken it too far. "We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?" [54:17,22,32,40] Easy, fellow submitters. Theres really no need to argue over this, keep it simple" end of quote
it is very interesting yo uknow - i need to expand more on this - but i had to note it down do i dont forget.
ok so the basic assumption from reading the above is that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one - and in some ways i have to agree with this.
once people start to invent complicated ways to explain an issue then there is something not quite right there.
the issue of three prayers can be highlighted in this instance. - yes the quran mentions three salats ( and when i say mentions - i mean it uses three names for the qualifying salat - salat fajr, salat isha and a salat wusta)
i have said that for some reason i am inclined to accept the proposition of three times for prayer as daily salat - nevertheless the question that i keep getting asked is so if there are three times for prayers - how many rakahs must we do for each one.
me i dont know the answer to this,
i only know that if we say we should follow the Quran alone - then let us do that in all totality.. it is not right to accept in part and seek to hadiths in some parts that which we cannot explain - especially if we say that hadiths cannot be relied upon. which means we leave it all out and dont use it to support any arguements or rationale that we may have.
i dont know why people keep asking how do we pray? because if using the Quran - the Quran advises that the act of salat constitutes of bowing and prostrating ( this is the general translation - please i dont have time for references - so check for yourselves.)its purpose if to glorify the creator - Lord of the universe -
it goes along the line that *call him God or Call him Ar-Rahman - to him belongs the most beautiful names" ( check the verses yourself -) it states not to utter salat too loud or quiet but use an intermediate tone ( so many peeps pull their pants on this - but in reality - remember !! that to each person what is loud or quiet is different - it is up to each person with God in remembrance to observe Him knowing that God and only God will judge him)
what also amazes me is that there is a directive ( when i write directive - i mean when a verse starts with Qul: which people translate as Say!! - this i believe is an instruction or guidance from God to us to respond to the many questions we may be asked or that we ask ourselves) this is suran 17:111 - it states along the lines of - "and say - Glory be to God who has never begotten a son, He does not need a partner in his kingship, neither does He need an ally out of weakness" - ( this part here i believe many people forget to add to their salat - for whatever reason i think its important) and magnify him constantly.
i keep getting asked - so what do we say during prayer and my reply is i dont know - for me the most likely answer is Praise your Creator.. why should we all be saying the same thing? the Quran has indicated whichever attribute/name you call God - it does not matter - to Him belongs the most wonderful attributes... so why must i call on God the same as you.. for example - I am very partial to the term Ar-Rahman - and alhamdulilahi Rabbi Alamin, and Subhanaka Lahuma as a term to magnify God during prayer - others are partial to Allahu Akbar??
i may change them depending on each prayer and what my heart calls out - for instance i may add the last part of ayat Qursiyu - Your dominion encompasses all there is in the heaven and earth and rulling them never burdens you in the slightest - you are the Almighty Most Wise..
it all depends...my soul is the one reaching out to its creator...
why cant we just praise, worship, Pray - why does there have to be a formula - ?? everyone says bismilahi - there is nothing wrong with that - its a wonderful way to start the link to God - it is all about God - asking for help, guidance..
i think that people want to know the intricate hows and whys but forget that worshipping God sometimes is not a one size fits all - the level of each our indiviaual beliefs cannot be the same - neither can the act of prayer - worshipping God is from your heart and your heart dictates how you accord your Creator -
the most important concepts in salat is detailed in the Quran - how each person recieves this is different - how much "pump" we put into our prayers cannot be the same - how much attention, focus and praise of God we want to offer cannot be the same - so why are people looking for uniformity in salat??
is this so they can have a level playing field? but really think about it... there is a level playing field - it is called righteousness!!.. it is then up to each person to decide for himself how much righteous they want to be bearing in mind that life circumstances - although on the over all basis are the same - in finer details they appear different .
i know those in support of three daily salat - use the bible as reference and they use a verse in daniel or something - where it is written ( pls check this for your self) " "And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded." (1 Samuel 20:41)"my criticism of this verse is that it is in no way indicative of three daily salat - it just says david bowed himself three times...
another verse from the bible used is
""As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me. Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice." (Psalms 55:16-17)"
on this i am inclined to accept - because i believe the worship of God is not a new thing.. on reading the Quran , i learn that worship practices were given to abraham, followed by all the prophets and messengers of God - Moses, Jesus, Solomon, David etc...
it is with interest to read that jews observe a three times daily prayer - evening, morning and afternoon - it is that simple...
and islam ( when i write islam - i mean the worship of God as per his scriptures - and in my world this includes unadultrated(translation or otherwise) torah, bible and Quran) started long long ago with Abraham - who advocated worshipping God alone..
the issue remains - if it is the three daily salat - then how did the 5 salat enter into the equations...
some people i have spoken with are quick to use a verse from the quran 5:48 to support that it is likely that jews may have three prayers but muslims are allowed or rather should i write can be allowed 5.
but i beg to differ - and i differ because my understanding of what i read in the Quran is that there are three tennents which are CRUCIAL to righteousness - which is belief, salat and charity. of these three tennents - there is no alternative, there is no get out clause, there is no other route.
please try and read my writeup re 5 pillar/3 pillar islam..
these three tennents are what binds all the major faiths together and these in my view is what worshipping God is all about...( its conviction from the heart and trust -BELIEF: keeping a link - SALAT: giving back - ZAKAT)
surah 98 is in my view a clear illustration of this - most notably surah 98:5
"All that was asked of them was to worship GOD, devoting the religion absolutely to Him alone, observe the contact prayers (Salat), and give the obligatory charity (Zakat). Such is the perfect religion"
this is a big big issue but nevertheless i am not bothered - whether you do three salat or 5 salat - i could not care less - we each all have to race towards righteousness - we all have levels of understanding and may God guide us in his path to reveal the TRUTH of his words to us.. to help us remove shackles imposed on us by our parents to help us to worhip him alone, and to accept the rites that he has decreed for us...
but i wont deny that i am inclined towards three as the simple evidence to me in Quran indicates 3.
Quick thought - stop using the Quran to justify everything that you have been taught - Look to the Quran with fresh eyes and God willing the truth will be manifest from falsehood... we are using the Quran to justify 5 times prayer - even though the names of 5 prayers are not there - only three names fajr, isha and wusta are joined with salat and timings are given.
where then did we get these names maghrib, zuhur, asr-
those with perpetual 19 madness - uses the quran to manipulate numbers as it suits them with regards to salat - but 19 phenomenon - in my view - does not account for everything about our worship practice - i
the following links i have read..
http://www.free-minds.org/salat-edip - interesting article from my view but i disagree witha few points - namely this issue of 2 prayers being likely to be preserved?? where does this rationalt come from?? go figure..
http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_3/prophet_and_3_prayers_(P1379).html - i find this very intresting. but largly based on hadiths and i dont buy into hadiths wether it supports my arguements or not..
http://www.mostmerciful.com/realities-of-our-daily-prayers--part-two.htm - this one i had to laugh out loud because am not sure how author arrived at maghrib - given that salat maghrib is not mentioned in Quran
http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/the_code_19_(P1203).html - this is a very interesting review - fo rthose who ate 19 fanatics and everything they see is 19 ( or as i would term it - is numbers manipulated by them to conform to a 19 status thing - )
+++++++++ this was taken from wikipedia on searching for it...
Jewish prayer (Hebrew: תְּפִלָּה, tefilláh; plural Hebrew: תְּפִלּוֹת, tefillos or tefillót; Yiddish תּפֿלה tfíle, plural תּפֿלות tfílles; Yinglish: davening from Yiddish דאַוונען davnen ‘to pray’) are the prayer recitations that form part of the observance of Judaism. These prayers, often with instructions and commentary, are found in the siddur, the traditional Jewish prayer book.
Traditionally, three prayer services are recited daily:
1.Shacharit or Shaharit (שַחֲרִת), from the Hebrew shachar or shahar (שַחָר) "morning light,"
2.Mincha or Minha (מִנְחָה), the afternoon prayers named for the flour offering that accompanied sacrifices at the Temple in Jerusalem,
3.Arvit (עַרְבִית) or Ma'ariv (מַעֲרִיב), from "nightfall."
Additional prayers:
•Musaf (מוּסָף, "additional") are recited by Orthodox and Conservative congregations on Shabbat, major Jewish holidays (including Chol HaMoed), and Rosh Chodesh.
•A fifth prayer service, Ne'ilah (נְעִילָה, "closing"), is recited only on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement.
According to the Talmud, prayer is a Biblical commandment[1] and the Talmud gives two reasons why there are three basic prayers: to recall the daily sacrifices at the Temple in Jerusalem, and/or because each of the Patriarchs instituted one prayer: Abraham the morning, Isaac the afternoon and Jacob the evening.[2] A distinction is made between individual prayer and communal prayer, which requires a quorum known as a minyan, with communal prayer being preferable as it permits the inclusion of prayers that otherwise must be omitted.
Maimonides (1135–1204 CE) relates that until the Babylonian exile (586 BCE), all Jews composed their own prayers, but thereafter the sages of the Great Assembly composed the main portions of the siddur.[3] Modern scholarship dating from the Wissenschaft des Judentums movement of 19th century Germany, as well as textual analysis influenced by the 20th Century discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, suggests that dating from this period there existed "liturgical formulations of a communal nature designated for particular occasions and conducted in a centre totally independent of Jerusalem and the Temple, making use of terminology and theological concepts that were later to become dominant in Jewish and, in some cases, Christian prayer."[4] The language of the prayers, while clearly from the Second Temple period[citation needed] (516 BCE–70 CE), often employs Biblical idiom. Jewish prayerbooks emerged during the early Middle Ages during the period of the Geonim of Babylonia (6th–11th Centuries CE)[5]
Origin and History of Jewish Prayer
Biblical origin
According to the Talmud (tractate Taanit 2a), prayer is a Biblical command: "'You shall serve God with your whole heart.' (Deuteronomy 11:13) What service is performed with the heart? This is prayer." The prayers are therefore referred to as Avodah sheba-Lev ("service that is in the heart"). The noted rabbi Maimonides likewise categorizes prayer as a Biblical command,[6] but believed that the number of prayers and their times are not.
The Talmud (tractate Berachoth 26b) gives two reasons why there are three basic prayers:
1.Each service was instituted parallel to a sacrificial act in the Temple in Jerusalem: the morning Tamid offering, the afternoon Tamid, and the overnight burning of this last offering.
2.According to one sage, each of the Patriarchs instituted one prayer: Abraham the morning, Isaac the afternoon and Jacob the evening prayers. This view is supported with Biblical quotes indicating that the Patriarchs prayed at the times mentioned. However, even according to this view, the exact times of when the services are held, and moreover the entire concept of a mussaf service, are still based on the sacrifices.
Additional Biblical references suggest that King David and the prophet Daniel prayed three times a day. In Psalms, David states: "Evening, morning and afternoon do I pray and cry, and He will hear my voice" (55:18). As in Daniel: "[...] his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he had done before" (6:11).
Judaism
In Judaism, the Tanakh and Talmudic texts as well as writings of Gaonim and Rishonim indicate that prostration was very common among Jewish communities until some point during the Middle Ages. In Mishneh Torah, the Rambam states full prostration (with one's body pressed flat to the earth) should be practiced at the end of the Amidah, recited thrice daily. Members of the Karaite denomination practice full prostrations during prayers. Ashkenazi Orthodox Jews prostrate during Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur as did Yemenite Jews during the Tachanun part of regular daily Jewish prayer until somewhat recently. Ethiopian Jews traditionally prostrated during a holiday specific to their community known as Sigd. Sigd comes from a root word meaning prostration in Amharic, Aramaic, and Arabic. There is a movement among Talmide haRambam to revive prostration as a regular part of daily Jewish worship.
psalm 55 king james version
1Give ear to my prayer, O God; and hide not thyself from my supplication.
2Attend unto me, and hear me: I mourn in my complaint, and make a noise;
3Because of the voice of the enemy, because of the oppression of the wicked: for they cast iniquity upon me, and in wrath they hate me.
4My heart is sore pained within me: and the terrors of death are fallen upon me.
5Fearfulness and trembling are come upon me, and horror hath overwhelmed me.
6And I said, Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at rest.
7Lo, then would I wander far off, and remain in the wilderness. Selah.
8I would hasten my escape from the windy storm and tempest.
9Destroy, O Lord, and divide their tongues: for I have seen violence and strife in the city.
10Day and night they go about it upon the walls thereof: mischief also and sorrow are in the midst of it.
11Wickedness is in the midst thereof: deceit and guile depart not from her streets.
12For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:
13But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.
14We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.
15Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
16As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
17Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
18He hath delivered my soul in peace from the battle that was against me: for there were many with me.
19God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God.
20He hath put forth his hands against such as be at peace with him: he hath broken his covenant.
21The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords.
22Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.
23But thou, O God, shalt bring them down into the pit of destruction: bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days; but I will trust in thee.
Daniel 6
Daniel 6
1It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;
2And over these three presidents; of whom Daniel was first: that the princes might give accounts unto them, and the king should have no damage.
3Then this Daniel was preferred above the presidents and princes, because an excellent spirit was in him; and the king thought to set him over the whole realm.
4Then the presidents and princes sought to find occasion against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find none occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.
5Then said these men, We shall not find any occasion against this Daniel, except we find it against him concerning the law of his God.
6Then these presidents and princes assembled together to the king, and said thus unto him, King Darius, live for ever.
7All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.
8Now, O king, establish the decree, and sign the writing, that it be not changed, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.
9Wherefore king Darius signed the writing and the decree.
10Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.
11Then these men assembled, and found Daniel praying and making supplication before his God.
12Then they came near, and spake before the king concerning the king's decree; Hast thou not signed a decree, that every man that shall ask a petition of any God or man within thirty days, save of thee, O king, shall be cast into the den of lions? The king answered and said, The thing is true, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.
13Then answered they and said before the king, That Daniel, which is of the children of the captivity of Judah, regardeth not thee, O king, nor the decree that thou hast signed, but maketh his petition three times a day.
14Then the king, when he heard these words, was sore displeased with himself, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him: and he laboured till the going down of the sun to deliver him.
15Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.
16Then the king commanded, and they brought Daniel, and cast him into the den of lions. Now the king spake and said unto Daniel, Thy God whom thou servest continually, he will deliver thee.
17And a stone was brought, and laid upon the mouth of the den; and the king sealed it with his own signet, and with the signet of his lords; that the purpose might not be changed concerning Daniel.
18Then the king went to his palace, and passed the night fasting: neither were instruments of musick brought before him: and his sleep went from him.
19Then the king arose very early in the morning, and went in haste unto the den of lions.
20And when he came to the den, he cried with a lamentable voice unto Daniel: and the king spake and said to Daniel, O Daniel, servant of the living God, is thy God, whom thou servest continually, able to deliver thee from the lions?
21Then said Daniel unto the king, O king, live for ever.
22My God hath sent his angel, and hath shut the lions' mouths, that they have not hurt me: forasmuch as before him innocency was found in me; and also before thee, O king, have I done no hurt.
23Then was the king exceedingly glad for him, and commanded that they should take Daniel up out of the den. So Daniel was taken up out of the den, and no manner of hurt was found upon him, because he believed in his God.
24And the king commanded, and they brought those men which had accused Daniel, and they cast them into the den of lions, them, their children, and their wives; and the lions had the mastery of them, and brake all their bones in pieces or ever they came at the bottom of the den.
25Then king Darius wrote unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you.
26I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.
27He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions.
28So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, and in the reign of Cyrus the Persian.
1 king 8
54And it was so, that when Solomon had made an end of praying all this prayer and supplication unto the LORD, he arose from before the altar of the LORD, from kneeling on his knees with his hands spread up to heaven.
55And he stood, and blessed all the congregation of Israel with a loud voice, saying,
56Blessed be the LORD, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant.
57The LORD our God be with us, as he was with our fathers: let him not leave us, nor forsake us:
58That he may incline our hearts unto him, to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and his statutes, and his judgments, which he commanded our fathers.
59And let these my words, wherewith I have made supplication before the LORD, be nigh unto the LORD our God day and night, that he maintain the cause of his servant, and the cause of his people Israel at all times, as the matter shall require:
60That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.
61Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.
62And the king, and all Israel with him, offered sacrifice before the LORD.
as with everything my Lord, I beg your forgiveness and seek your guidance in this life and the next. All Praise is due to you in this life and the hereafter.. Be thou Glorified my Lord
I quote " Peace, I am a bit disappointed to see that this argument is still causing dispute amongst intelligent submitters. Occams Razor anyone?: "the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one." I know this does not always apply as it is a theory, but I think in most matters concerning Quranic verses, it happens to ring true. Why try to overcomplicate something that is so straightforward in th...e Quran it is mentioned twice in detail, one time just happens to be even more detailed than the other so as to leave little to NO dispute as to what foods are or are not prohibited. As soon as we start attacking others, writing Venn diagrams and essays to prove one moot point, it's time to take a step back and realize you've taken it too far. "We made the Quran easy to learn. Does any of you wish to learn?" [54:17,22,32,40] Easy, fellow submitters. Theres really no need to argue over this, keep it simple" end of quote
it is very interesting yo uknow - i need to expand more on this - but i had to note it down do i dont forget.
ok so the basic assumption from reading the above is that the simplest explanation is usually the correct one - and in some ways i have to agree with this.
once people start to invent complicated ways to explain an issue then there is something not quite right there.
the issue of three prayers can be highlighted in this instance. - yes the quran mentions three salats ( and when i say mentions - i mean it uses three names for the qualifying salat - salat fajr, salat isha and a salat wusta)
i have said that for some reason i am inclined to accept the proposition of three times for prayer as daily salat - nevertheless the question that i keep getting asked is so if there are three times for prayers - how many rakahs must we do for each one.
me i dont know the answer to this,
i only know that if we say we should follow the Quran alone - then let us do that in all totality.. it is not right to accept in part and seek to hadiths in some parts that which we cannot explain - especially if we say that hadiths cannot be relied upon. which means we leave it all out and dont use it to support any arguements or rationale that we may have.
i dont know why people keep asking how do we pray? because if using the Quran - the Quran advises that the act of salat constitutes of bowing and prostrating ( this is the general translation - please i dont have time for references - so check for yourselves.)its purpose if to glorify the creator - Lord of the universe -
it goes along the line that *call him God or Call him Ar-Rahman - to him belongs the most beautiful names" ( check the verses yourself -) it states not to utter salat too loud or quiet but use an intermediate tone ( so many peeps pull their pants on this - but in reality - remember !! that to each person what is loud or quiet is different - it is up to each person with God in remembrance to observe Him knowing that God and only God will judge him)
what also amazes me is that there is a directive ( when i write directive - i mean when a verse starts with Qul: which people translate as Say!! - this i believe is an instruction or guidance from God to us to respond to the many questions we may be asked or that we ask ourselves) this is suran 17:111 - it states along the lines of - "and say - Glory be to God who has never begotten a son, He does not need a partner in his kingship, neither does He need an ally out of weakness" - ( this part here i believe many people forget to add to their salat - for whatever reason i think its important) and magnify him constantly.
i keep getting asked - so what do we say during prayer and my reply is i dont know - for me the most likely answer is Praise your Creator.. why should we all be saying the same thing? the Quran has indicated whichever attribute/name you call God - it does not matter - to Him belongs the most wonderful attributes... so why must i call on God the same as you.. for example - I am very partial to the term Ar-Rahman - and alhamdulilahi Rabbi Alamin, and Subhanaka Lahuma as a term to magnify God during prayer - others are partial to Allahu Akbar??
i may change them depending on each prayer and what my heart calls out - for instance i may add the last part of ayat Qursiyu - Your dominion encompasses all there is in the heaven and earth and rulling them never burdens you in the slightest - you are the Almighty Most Wise..
it all depends...my soul is the one reaching out to its creator...
why cant we just praise, worship, Pray - why does there have to be a formula - ?? everyone says bismilahi - there is nothing wrong with that - its a wonderful way to start the link to God - it is all about God - asking for help, guidance..
i think that people want to know the intricate hows and whys but forget that worshipping God sometimes is not a one size fits all - the level of each our indiviaual beliefs cannot be the same - neither can the act of prayer - worshipping God is from your heart and your heart dictates how you accord your Creator -
the most important concepts in salat is detailed in the Quran - how each person recieves this is different - how much "pump" we put into our prayers cannot be the same - how much attention, focus and praise of God we want to offer cannot be the same - so why are people looking for uniformity in salat??
is this so they can have a level playing field? but really think about it... there is a level playing field - it is called righteousness!!.. it is then up to each person to decide for himself how much righteous they want to be bearing in mind that life circumstances - although on the over all basis are the same - in finer details they appear different .
i know those in support of three daily salat - use the bible as reference and they use a verse in daniel or something - where it is written ( pls check this for your self) " "And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded." (1 Samuel 20:41)"my criticism of this verse is that it is in no way indicative of three daily salat - it just says david bowed himself three times...
another verse from the bible used is
""As for me, I will call upon God; and the Lord shall save me. Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice." (Psalms 55:16-17)"
on this i am inclined to accept - because i believe the worship of God is not a new thing.. on reading the Quran , i learn that worship practices were given to abraham, followed by all the prophets and messengers of God - Moses, Jesus, Solomon, David etc...
it is with interest to read that jews observe a three times daily prayer - evening, morning and afternoon - it is that simple...
and islam ( when i write islam - i mean the worship of God as per his scriptures - and in my world this includes unadultrated(translation or otherwise) torah, bible and Quran) started long long ago with Abraham - who advocated worshipping God alone..
the issue remains - if it is the three daily salat - then how did the 5 salat enter into the equations...
some people i have spoken with are quick to use a verse from the quran 5:48 to support that it is likely that jews may have three prayers but muslims are allowed or rather should i write can be allowed 5.
but i beg to differ - and i differ because my understanding of what i read in the Quran is that there are three tennents which are CRUCIAL to righteousness - which is belief, salat and charity. of these three tennents - there is no alternative, there is no get out clause, there is no other route.
please try and read my writeup re 5 pillar/3 pillar islam..
these three tennents are what binds all the major faiths together and these in my view is what worshipping God is all about...( its conviction from the heart and trust -BELIEF: keeping a link - SALAT: giving back - ZAKAT)
surah 98 is in my view a clear illustration of this - most notably surah 98:5
"All that was asked of them was to worship GOD, devoting the religion absolutely to Him alone, observe the contact prayers (Salat), and give the obligatory charity (Zakat). Such is the perfect religion"
this is a big big issue but nevertheless i am not bothered - whether you do three salat or 5 salat - i could not care less - we each all have to race towards righteousness - we all have levels of understanding and may God guide us in his path to reveal the TRUTH of his words to us.. to help us remove shackles imposed on us by our parents to help us to worhip him alone, and to accept the rites that he has decreed for us...
but i wont deny that i am inclined towards three as the simple evidence to me in Quran indicates 3.
Quick thought - stop using the Quran to justify everything that you have been taught - Look to the Quran with fresh eyes and God willing the truth will be manifest from falsehood... we are using the Quran to justify 5 times prayer - even though the names of 5 prayers are not there - only three names fajr, isha and wusta are joined with salat and timings are given.
where then did we get these names maghrib, zuhur, asr-
those with perpetual 19 madness - uses the quran to manipulate numbers as it suits them with regards to salat - but 19 phenomenon - in my view - does not account for everything about our worship practice - i
the following links i have read..
http://www.free-minds.org/salat-edip - interesting article from my view but i disagree witha few points - namely this issue of 2 prayers being likely to be preserved?? where does this rationalt come from?? go figure..
http://www.quran-islam.org/articles/part_3/prophet_and_3_prayers_(P1379).html - i find this very intresting. but largly based on hadiths and i dont buy into hadiths wether it supports my arguements or not..
http://www.mostmerciful.com/realities-of-our-daily-prayers--part-two.htm - this one i had to laugh out loud because am not sure how author arrived at maghrib - given that salat maghrib is not mentioned in Quran
http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/the_code_19_(P1203).html - this is a very interesting review - fo rthose who ate 19 fanatics and everything they see is 19 ( or as i would term it - is numbers manipulated by them to conform to a 19 status thing - )
+++++++++ this was taken from wikipedia on searching for it...
Jewish prayer (Hebrew: תְּפִלָּה, tefilláh; plural Hebrew: תְּפִלּוֹת, tefillos or tefillót; Yiddish תּפֿלה tfíle, plural תּפֿלות tfílles; Yinglish: davening from Yiddish דאַוונען davnen ‘to pray’) are the prayer recitations that form part of the observance of Judaism. These prayers, often with instructions and commentary, are found in the siddur, the traditional Jewish prayer book.
Traditionally, three prayer services are recited daily:
1.Shacharit or Shaharit (שַחֲרִת), from the Hebrew shachar or shahar (שַחָר) "morning light,"
2.Mincha or Minha (מִנְחָה), the afternoon prayers named for the flour offering that accompanied sacrifices at the Temple in Jerusalem,
3.Arvit (עַרְבִית) or Ma'ariv (מַעֲרִיב), from "nightfall."
Additional prayers:
•Musaf (מוּסָף, "additional") are recited by Orthodox and Conservative congregations on Shabbat, major Jewish holidays (including Chol HaMoed), and Rosh Chodesh.
•A fifth prayer service, Ne'ilah (נְעִילָה, "closing"), is recited only on Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement.
According to the Talmud, prayer is a Biblical commandment[1] and the Talmud gives two reasons why there are three basic prayers: to recall the daily sacrifices at the Temple in Jerusalem, and/or because each of the Patriarchs instituted one prayer: Abraham the morning, Isaac the afternoon and Jacob the evening.[2] A distinction is made between individual prayer and communal prayer, which requires a quorum known as a minyan, with communal prayer being preferable as it permits the inclusion of prayers that otherwise must be omitted.
Maimonides (1135–1204 CE) relates that until the Babylonian exile (586 BCE), all Jews composed their own prayers, but thereafter the sages of the Great Assembly composed the main portions of the siddur.[3] Modern scholarship dating from the Wissenschaft des Judentums movement of 19th century Germany, as well as textual analysis influenced by the 20th Century discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, suggests that dating from this period there existed "liturgical formulations of a communal nature designated for particular occasions and conducted in a centre totally independent of Jerusalem and the Temple, making use of terminology and theological concepts that were later to become dominant in Jewish and, in some cases, Christian prayer."[4] The language of the prayers, while clearly from the Second Temple period[citation needed] (516 BCE–70 CE), often employs Biblical idiom. Jewish prayerbooks emerged during the early Middle Ages during the period of the Geonim of Babylonia (6th–11th Centuries CE)[5]
Origin and History of Jewish Prayer
Biblical origin
According to the Talmud (tractate Taanit 2a), prayer is a Biblical command: "'You shall serve God with your whole heart.' (Deuteronomy 11:13) What service is performed with the heart? This is prayer." The prayers are therefore referred to as Avodah sheba-Lev ("service that is in the heart"). The noted rabbi Maimonides likewise categorizes prayer as a Biblical command,[6] but believed that the number of prayers and their times are not.
The Talmud (tractate Berachoth 26b) gives two reasons why there are three basic prayers:
1.Each service was instituted parallel to a sacrificial act in the Temple in Jerusalem: the morning Tamid offering, the afternoon Tamid, and the overnight burning of this last offering.
2.According to one sage, each of the Patriarchs instituted one prayer: Abraham the morning, Isaac the afternoon and Jacob the evening prayers. This view is supported with Biblical quotes indicating that the Patriarchs prayed at the times mentioned. However, even according to this view, the exact times of when the services are held, and moreover the entire concept of a mussaf service, are still based on the sacrifices.
Additional Biblical references suggest that King David and the prophet Daniel prayed three times a day. In Psalms, David states: "Evening, morning and afternoon do I pray and cry, and He will hear my voice" (55:18). As in Daniel: "[...] his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he had done before" (6:11).
Judaism
In Judaism, the Tanakh and Talmudic texts as well as writings of Gaonim and Rishonim indicate that prostration was very common among Jewish communities until some point during the Middle Ages. In Mishneh Torah, the Rambam states full prostration (with one's body pressed flat to the earth) should be practiced at the end of the Amidah, recited thrice daily. Members of the Karaite denomination practice full prostrations during prayers. Ashkenazi Orthodox Jews prostrate during Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur as did Yemenite Jews during the Tachanun part of regular daily Jewish prayer until somewhat recently. Ethiopian Jews traditionally prostrated during a holiday specific to their community known as Sigd. Sigd comes from a root word meaning prostration in Amharic, Aramaic, and Arabic. There is a movement among Talmide haRambam to revive prostration as a regular part of daily Jewish worship.
psalm 55 king james version
1Give ear to my prayer, O God; and hide not thyself from my supplication.
2Attend unto me, and hear me: I mourn in my complaint, and make a noise;
3Because of the voice of the enemy, because of the oppression of the wicked: for they cast iniquity upon me, and in wrath they hate me.
4My heart is sore pained within me: and the terrors of death are fallen upon me.
5Fearfulness and trembling are come upon me, and horror hath overwhelmed me.
6And I said, Oh that I had wings like a dove! for then would I fly away, and be at rest.
7Lo, then would I wander far off, and remain in the wilderness. Selah.
8I would hasten my escape from the windy storm and tempest.
9Destroy, O Lord, and divide their tongues: for I have seen violence and strife in the city.
10Day and night they go about it upon the walls thereof: mischief also and sorrow are in the midst of it.
11Wickedness is in the midst thereof: deceit and guile depart not from her streets.
12For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hid myself from him:
13But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.
14We took sweet counsel together, and walked unto the house of God in company.
15Let death seize upon them, and let them go down quick into hell: for wickedness is in their dwellings, and among them.
16As for me, I will call upon God; and the LORD shall save me.
17Evening, and morning, and at noon, will I pray, and cry aloud: and he shall hear my voice.
18He hath delivered my soul in peace from the battle that was against me: for there were many with me.
19God shall hear, and afflict them, even he that abideth of old. Selah. Because they have no changes, therefore they fear not God.
20He hath put forth his hands against such as be at peace with him: he hath broken his covenant.
21The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords.
22Cast thy burden upon the LORD, and he shall sustain thee: he shall never suffer the righteous to be moved.
23But thou, O God, shalt bring them down into the pit of destruction: bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days; but I will trust in thee.
Daniel 6
Daniel 6
1It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;
2And over these three presidents; of whom Daniel was first: that the princes might give accounts unto them, and the king should have no damage.
3Then this Daniel was preferred above the presidents and princes, because an excellent spirit was in him; and the king thought to set him over the whole realm.
4Then the presidents and princes sought to find occasion against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find none occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.
5Then said these men, We shall not find any occasion against this Daniel, except we find it against him concerning the law of his God.
6Then these presidents and princes assembled together to the king, and said thus unto him, King Darius, live for ever.
7All the presidents of the kingdom, the governors, and the princes, the counsellors, and the captains, have consulted together to establish a royal statute, and to make a firm decree, that whosoever shall ask a petition of any God or man for thirty days, save of thee, O king, he shall be cast into the den of lions.
8Now, O king, establish the decree, and sign the writing, that it be not changed, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.
9Wherefore king Darius signed the writing and the decree.
10Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did aforetime.
11Then these men assembled, and found Daniel praying and making supplication before his God.
12Then they came near, and spake before the king concerning the king's decree; Hast thou not signed a decree, that every man that shall ask a petition of any God or man within thirty days, save of thee, O king, shall be cast into the den of lions? The king answered and said, The thing is true, according to the law of the Medes and Persians, which altereth not.
13Then answered they and said before the king, That Daniel, which is of the children of the captivity of Judah, regardeth not thee, O king, nor the decree that thou hast signed, but maketh his petition three times a day.
14Then the king, when he heard these words, was sore displeased with himself, and set his heart on Daniel to deliver him: and he laboured till the going down of the sun to deliver him.
15Then these men assembled unto the king, and said unto the king, Know, O king, that the law of the Medes and Persians is, That no decree nor statute which the king establisheth may be changed.
16Then the king commanded, and they brought Daniel, and cast him into the den of lions. Now the king spake and said unto Daniel, Thy God whom thou servest continually, he will deliver thee.
17And a stone was brought, and laid upon the mouth of the den; and the king sealed it with his own signet, and with the signet of his lords; that the purpose might not be changed concerning Daniel.
18Then the king went to his palace, and passed the night fasting: neither were instruments of musick brought before him: and his sleep went from him.
19Then the king arose very early in the morning, and went in haste unto the den of lions.
20And when he came to the den, he cried with a lamentable voice unto Daniel: and the king spake and said to Daniel, O Daniel, servant of the living God, is thy God, whom thou servest continually, able to deliver thee from the lions?
21Then said Daniel unto the king, O king, live for ever.
22My God hath sent his angel, and hath shut the lions' mouths, that they have not hurt me: forasmuch as before him innocency was found in me; and also before thee, O king, have I done no hurt.
23Then was the king exceedingly glad for him, and commanded that they should take Daniel up out of the den. So Daniel was taken up out of the den, and no manner of hurt was found upon him, because he believed in his God.
24And the king commanded, and they brought those men which had accused Daniel, and they cast them into the den of lions, them, their children, and their wives; and the lions had the mastery of them, and brake all their bones in pieces or ever they came at the bottom of the den.
25Then king Darius wrote unto all people, nations, and languages, that dwell in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you.
26I make a decree, That in every dominion of my kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel: for he is the living God, and stedfast for ever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed, and his dominion shall be even unto the end.
27He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions.
28So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius, and in the reign of Cyrus the Persian.
1 king 8
54And it was so, that when Solomon had made an end of praying all this prayer and supplication unto the LORD, he arose from before the altar of the LORD, from kneeling on his knees with his hands spread up to heaven.
55And he stood, and blessed all the congregation of Israel with a loud voice, saying,
56Blessed be the LORD, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant.
57The LORD our God be with us, as he was with our fathers: let him not leave us, nor forsake us:
58That he may incline our hearts unto him, to walk in all his ways, and to keep his commandments, and his statutes, and his judgments, which he commanded our fathers.
59And let these my words, wherewith I have made supplication before the LORD, be nigh unto the LORD our God day and night, that he maintain the cause of his servant, and the cause of his people Israel at all times, as the matter shall require:
60That all the people of the earth may know that the LORD is God, and that there is none else.
61Let your heart therefore be perfect with the LORD our God, to walk in his statutes, and to keep his commandments, as at this day.
62And the king, and all Israel with him, offered sacrifice before the LORD.
as with everything my Lord, I beg your forgiveness and seek your guidance in this life and the next. All Praise is due to you in this life and the hereafter.. Be thou Glorified my Lord
Wednesday, 7 September 2011
A thought - Systemic abuse of allahu akbar
i strugle to find correlation which this phrase as a choice for some for using to magnify God in relation to surah 17:110-111
for some time now i have been thinking about this phrase that so many people use in prayer to God.
Allahu Akbar.
translation - God is the Greatest.. or God is Greater
it is used as a call to prayer,
it is used to magnify God
it is used as a celebratory cry of praise.
now adays, with all the troubles in the world - i wonder and i have been wondering for some time now that this phrase Allahu akbar is abused by many.
i guess it is used to justify any act by the perpertrator, not knowing if it is right or wrong.
you find the terrorists who shout allahu akbar - when in my view that is - the unjustly blow up buildings and kill innocent people.
you find those oppressed shouting allahu akbar when they are trying to rid themselves of opression and at the same time - in my view - agress against their limits of ridding opression.
you find the hypocrites - i too may be one of them - shouting allahu akbar when in congrregation with others, i feel they dont even think clearly about the word and the connotation behind it.
i cannot find in the Quran where is says Allahu akbar as a word together - i may not be looking correctly - except in 29:45 - in
"wa la zikru llahi akbar"... towards the end of the verse and whose rough
translation can be as - rememberance of God
so where did we get this phrase from?
in relation to a call for prayer - i guess it is from verse 17:111 - where the last part of that verse is
" wa kabiru takbiran"
translated roughly as and magnify him greatly
from history - i remember something about the first person to call to prayer being the slave bilal - i dont know if this is right or wrong though - going by the many hadiths which are baseless and cannot be verified.
but given that the worship of God is not a new thing - ~Salat is not a new thing but was prescribed by God as a way of attaining salvation which started from Abraham passed down the prophets and messengers - then i guess - how accurate is this?
Quran - 17:111
Khalifa
And proclaim: "Praise be to GOD, who has never begotten a son, nor does He have a partner in His kingship, nor does He need any ally out of weakness," and magnify Him constantly.
Yusuf Ali
Say: "Praise be to God, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion: Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation: yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!"
Pickthal
And say: Praise be to Allah, Who hath not taken unto Himself a son, and Who hath no partner in the Sovereignty, nor hath He any protecting friend through dependence. And magnify Him with all magnificence.
Shakir
And say: (All) praise is due to Allah, Who has not taken a son and Who has not a partner in the kingdom, and Who has not a helper to save Him from disgrace; and proclaim His greatness magnifying (Him).
Sher Ali
And say, `All praise belongs to Allah who has taken unto Himself no son, and who has no partner in HIS kingdom, nor has HE anyone to help HIM because of any weakness of HIS.' And proclaim HIS greatness, glorifying HIM.
"Progressive Muslims"
And say: "Praise be to God who Has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." And glorify Him greatly.
Reformist translation
Say, "Praise is to God, who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." Glorify Him
Quran - 29:45
Khalifa
You shall recite what is revealed to you of the scripture, and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), for the Contact Prayers prohibit evil and vice. But the remembrance of GOD (through Salat) is the most important objective. GOD knows everything you do.
Yusuf Ali
Recite what is sent of the Book by inspiration to thee, and establish regular Prayer: for Prayer restrains from shameful and unjust deeds; and remembrance of God is the greatest (thing in life) without doubt. And God knows the (deeds) that ye do.
Pickthal
Recite that which hath been inspired in thee of the Scripture, and establish worship. Lo! worship preserveth from lewdness and iniquity, but verily remembrance of Allah is more important. And Allah knoweth what ye do.
Shakir
Recite that which has been revealed to you of the Book and keep up prayer; surely prayer keeps (one) away from indecency and evil, and certainly the remembrance of Allah is the greatest, and Allah knows what you do.
Sher Ali
Recite that which has been revealed of the Book and observe Prayer. Surely, Prayer restrains one from indecency and manifest evil; and the remembrance of Allah is the greatest virtue. And Allah knows what you do.
not that it matters at all - but i am thinking of this for some time... the way i remember the verse 17:110 - call him God or Call him Ar-Rahman, to God belings the most beautiful names...
May God guide us to his path, and save us from the retribution of the hell fire.
to God belongs the best of all praise.
for some time now i have been thinking about this phrase that so many people use in prayer to God.
Allahu Akbar.
translation - God is the Greatest.. or God is Greater
it is used as a call to prayer,
it is used to magnify God
it is used as a celebratory cry of praise.
now adays, with all the troubles in the world - i wonder and i have been wondering for some time now that this phrase Allahu akbar is abused by many.
i guess it is used to justify any act by the perpertrator, not knowing if it is right or wrong.
you find the terrorists who shout allahu akbar - when in my view that is - the unjustly blow up buildings and kill innocent people.
you find those oppressed shouting allahu akbar when they are trying to rid themselves of opression and at the same time - in my view - agress against their limits of ridding opression.
you find the hypocrites - i too may be one of them - shouting allahu akbar when in congrregation with others, i feel they dont even think clearly about the word and the connotation behind it.
i cannot find in the Quran where is says Allahu akbar as a word together - i may not be looking correctly - except in 29:45 - in
"wa la zikru llahi akbar"... towards the end of the verse and whose rough
translation can be as - rememberance of God
so where did we get this phrase from?
in relation to a call for prayer - i guess it is from verse 17:111 - where the last part of that verse is
" wa kabiru takbiran"
translated roughly as and magnify him greatly
from history - i remember something about the first person to call to prayer being the slave bilal - i dont know if this is right or wrong though - going by the many hadiths which are baseless and cannot be verified.
but given that the worship of God is not a new thing - ~Salat is not a new thing but was prescribed by God as a way of attaining salvation which started from Abraham passed down the prophets and messengers - then i guess - how accurate is this?
Quran - 17:111
Khalifa
And proclaim: "Praise be to GOD, who has never begotten a son, nor does He have a partner in His kingship, nor does He need any ally out of weakness," and magnify Him constantly.
Yusuf Ali
Say: "Praise be to God, who begets no son, and has no partner in (His) dominion: Nor (needs) He any to protect Him from humiliation: yea, magnify Him for His greatness and glory!"
Pickthal
And say: Praise be to Allah, Who hath not taken unto Himself a son, and Who hath no partner in the Sovereignty, nor hath He any protecting friend through dependence. And magnify Him with all magnificence.
Shakir
And say: (All) praise is due to Allah, Who has not taken a son and Who has not a partner in the kingdom, and Who has not a helper to save Him from disgrace; and proclaim His greatness magnifying (Him).
Sher Ali
And say, `All praise belongs to Allah who has taken unto Himself no son, and who has no partner in HIS kingdom, nor has HE anyone to help HIM because of any weakness of HIS.' And proclaim HIS greatness, glorifying HIM.
"Progressive Muslims"
And say: "Praise be to God who Has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." And glorify Him greatly.
Reformist translation
Say, "Praise is to God, who has not taken a son, nor does He have a partner in sovereignty, nor does He have an ally out of weakness." Glorify Him
Quran - 29:45
Khalifa
You shall recite what is revealed to you of the scripture, and observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), for the Contact Prayers prohibit evil and vice. But the remembrance of GOD (through Salat) is the most important objective. GOD knows everything you do.
Yusuf Ali
Recite what is sent of the Book by inspiration to thee, and establish regular Prayer: for Prayer restrains from shameful and unjust deeds; and remembrance of God is the greatest (thing in life) without doubt. And God knows the (deeds) that ye do.
Pickthal
Recite that which hath been inspired in thee of the Scripture, and establish worship. Lo! worship preserveth from lewdness and iniquity, but verily remembrance of Allah is more important. And Allah knoweth what ye do.
Shakir
Recite that which has been revealed to you of the Book and keep up prayer; surely prayer keeps (one) away from indecency and evil, and certainly the remembrance of Allah is the greatest, and Allah knows what you do.
Sher Ali
Recite that which has been revealed of the Book and observe Prayer. Surely, Prayer restrains one from indecency and manifest evil; and the remembrance of Allah is the greatest virtue. And Allah knows what you do.
"Progressive Muslims"
Recite what is inspired to you of the Scripture, and hold the assembly; for the assembly prohibits evil and vice, and the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.
Recite what is inspired to you of the Scripture, and hold the assembly; for the assembly prohibits evil and vice, and the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.
"Reformist Translation"
Recite what is inspired to you of the book, and hold the contact prayer; for the contact prayer prohibits evil and vice,and the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.*
Recite what is inspired to you of the book, and hold the contact prayer; for the contact prayer prohibits evil and vice,and the remembrance of God is the greatest. God knows everything you do.*
not that it matters at all - but i am thinking of this for some time... the way i remember the verse 17:110 - call him God or Call him Ar-Rahman, to God belings the most beautiful names...
May God guide us to his path, and save us from the retribution of the hell fire.
to God belongs the best of all praise.
Sceptical on Ha Patcha.... 2:42 Do not confound truth with falsehood
there is this i found in a submitters perspective? Jan 2004
We know that the Christian’s Lord’s prayer is very similar in content to “The Key.” As a model of prayer, every Christian learns it by heart. During a trip to Jakarta, Indonesia, brother Gatut has come across an opening prayer practiced by the Diaspora Christian denomination. The prayer is called Ha Patchah. He found it very interesting that these Christians seem to have adopted many of the ancient Jewish practices in their rituals along with the Lord’s Prayer. These observations confirm the Quranic accounts that all these prayers came from Abraham's ancient practice taught by God.
The Key (Al-Fatehah) - Khalifa translation
[1:1] In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
[1:2] Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe.
[1:3] Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
[1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1:5] You alone we worship; You alone we ask for help.
[1:6] Guide us in the right path;
[1:7] the path of those whom You blessed; not of those who have deserved wrath, nor of the strayers.
HA PATCHAH
(THE OPENING PRAYER)
BE SHEM ELAH HA RAHAMIM
In the name of God, the Most Gracious (Ezr.5:1; Dan.9:9)
T’HILAH L’ELOHEINU RIBOHN HA-OLAMIM
All praise be to God, Lord of the universe (Jewish liturgy)
HA RAHAMIM
The Most Gracious (Dan.9:9)
MELEK YOM HA DIN
Master of the Day of Judgment (Jewish terminology)
ELEKHA ADONAY EQARA WE EL ADONAY ET HANAN
To you, O Lord, I implore – and to my Lord I seek help (Psalm 30:9)
HEHENI BE ORACH MISHOR
Guide us in the straight path (Psalm 27:11)
ALEKHET BE DEREHU WE LEYAREH ITTO
The way of life according to His path by reverencing Him (Deut 8:6)
LE HALAK BE ETSAH RISHAH WE LA SAGHAH
Not by the advice of the cursed, nor of the strayers (Psalm 119:21)
Reference Verses from Torah and Hebrew transliteration:
B’shem elah yisrael aleihohn (Ezr.5:1).
In the name of the God of Israel
L’Adonai Eloheinu harachamim (Dan.9:9)
Unto Adonai our God the merciful
Eilechah Adonai ekra v’el-Adonai et-chanan (Psalm 30:9)
Unto You Adonai I called and unto Adonai I implored
Horeini Adonai darchechah u-n’cheini b’orach mishor. (Psalm 27:11)
Teach me, Adonai, your way and guide me (lit. make me right) on your straight path.
(Shamartah et-mitzvot Adonai elohechah) lalechet bi’darchav u-l’yirah otoh (Deut 8:6)
(Keep/Guard God’s commandments so that) you will walk (lit. to walk) in His paths and so that you will fear (lit. to fear; to be in awe of) Him
Ga-artah zeidim arurim hashogim mi-mitzvotechah (Psalm 119:21)
You have rebuked the insolent, accursed sinners who have strayed from Your commandments
[Ed’s note: Many thanks to brother Gatut of Indonesia for providing the information on Ha Patchah, and sister Betsy of Jewish Congregation Or Chadash for checking the prayer for accuracy in Hebrew and for providing the Hebrew transliteration of the referenced verses from Torah.]
Questions that raises up in me
1 - i googled "ha patcha" and i cannot find any reference to it other than what is posted from the submission site. has this been verified as being true - or are we just wanting to believe in wishful thinking??
2 - is this a prayer or something a group of people put together to praise God.
3 - they say it is a jewish prayer - but it was said by a " dispora christain
denomination" - who are they exactly - more information needs to be provided about them.
4 - a look at the verses one can see outright that they are not a follow through but rather are a mix up of verses from the old testament to make up what resembles fatiha in Quran -
let us call a spade a spade - i will question openly the authenticity of this "discovery"
one has to look at the psalms and the jewish prayer book to note that though this ha patcha - said in jewish is a compilation of prayer( a pick and mix of words to suit whatever purpose for whomever) - for me , unless more information comes to light - i am not at liberty to agree that is is a prayer passed down but rather it is an attempt to compile verses to resemble fatiha of the Quran.
i will invite everyone to pick up the bible old testament and find out the verses quoted and verify themselves - they are not direct verses by any accounts - but phrases taken out of verses and then compiled into this "ha patcha"
I.E - ezra 5:1 using the KJV reads - "Then the prophets, Haggai the prophet, and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophesied unto the Jews that were in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of Israel, even unto them" ( we can see that in the name of the God of Isreal - a phrase has been taken out of the whole text)
daniel 9:9 using the KJV reads - "To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him." ( same thing as above comment)
Psalm 30:9 using KJV reads - "What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth" ( i think what they are trying touse of psalm 30:8 which reads -I cried to thee, O LORD; and unto the LORD I made supplication)
Psalm 27:11 using KJV reads - "Teach me thy way, O LORD, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies."
Deuteronomy 8:6 using KJV reads - "Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him. "
Psalm 119:21 using KJV reads - "Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, which do err from thy commandments."
i thought truth seekers were above all that - taking a phrase or word out of context and using it to manipulate whatever idea/notion they want to convince others about.
God does not need anyone to prove His existence and His authority - He is High above all that - his truth will always Prevail.
Truth will prevail and falsehood will vanish - surely falsehood will inevitably vanish!!!
Remember - 17:36
Khalifa - You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.
Yusuf Ali - And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
Pickthal - (O man), follow not that whereof thou hast no knowledge. Lo! the hearing and the sight and the heart - of each of these it will be asked.
Shakir - And follow not that of which you have not the knowledge; surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that.
Sher Ali - And follow not that of which thou hast no knowledge. Verily, the ear and the eye and the heart - all these shall be called to account.
"Progressive Muslims" - And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for.
Reformist Translation - Do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing,
eyesight, and mind, all these are held responsible for that.*
May God guide us in His truth and help us to worship Him alone - Ihidina siratal mustaqim.
( funny thing just crossed my mind - lol - everyone says this done we - how do we know those who are guided? really God help us all)
We know that the Christian’s Lord’s prayer is very similar in content to “The Key.” As a model of prayer, every Christian learns it by heart. During a trip to Jakarta, Indonesia, brother Gatut has come across an opening prayer practiced by the Diaspora Christian denomination. The prayer is called Ha Patchah. He found it very interesting that these Christians seem to have adopted many of the ancient Jewish practices in their rituals along with the Lord’s Prayer. These observations confirm the Quranic accounts that all these prayers came from Abraham's ancient practice taught by God.
The Key (Al-Fatehah) - Khalifa translation
[1:1] In the name of GOD, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
[1:2] Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe.
[1:3] Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
[1:4] Master of the Day of Judgment.
[1:5] You alone we worship; You alone we ask for help.
[1:6] Guide us in the right path;
[1:7] the path of those whom You blessed; not of those who have deserved wrath, nor of the strayers.
HA PATCHAH
(THE OPENING PRAYER)
BE SHEM ELAH HA RAHAMIM
In the name of God, the Most Gracious (Ezr.5:1; Dan.9:9)
T’HILAH L’ELOHEINU RIBOHN HA-OLAMIM
All praise be to God, Lord of the universe (Jewish liturgy)
HA RAHAMIM
The Most Gracious (Dan.9:9)
MELEK YOM HA DIN
Master of the Day of Judgment (Jewish terminology)
ELEKHA ADONAY EQARA WE EL ADONAY ET HANAN
To you, O Lord, I implore – and to my Lord I seek help (Psalm 30:9)
HEHENI BE ORACH MISHOR
Guide us in the straight path (Psalm 27:11)
ALEKHET BE DEREHU WE LEYAREH ITTO
The way of life according to His path by reverencing Him (Deut 8:6)
LE HALAK BE ETSAH RISHAH WE LA SAGHAH
Not by the advice of the cursed, nor of the strayers (Psalm 119:21)
Reference Verses from Torah and Hebrew transliteration:
B’shem elah yisrael aleihohn (Ezr.5:1).
In the name of the God of Israel
L’Adonai Eloheinu harachamim (Dan.9:9)
Unto Adonai our God the merciful
Eilechah Adonai ekra v’el-Adonai et-chanan (Psalm 30:9)
Unto You Adonai I called and unto Adonai I implored
Horeini Adonai darchechah u-n’cheini b’orach mishor. (Psalm 27:11)
Teach me, Adonai, your way and guide me (lit. make me right) on your straight path.
(Shamartah et-mitzvot Adonai elohechah) lalechet bi’darchav u-l’yirah otoh (Deut 8:6)
(Keep/Guard God’s commandments so that) you will walk (lit. to walk) in His paths and so that you will fear (lit. to fear; to be in awe of) Him
Ga-artah zeidim arurim hashogim mi-mitzvotechah (Psalm 119:21)
You have rebuked the insolent, accursed sinners who have strayed from Your commandments
[Ed’s note: Many thanks to brother Gatut of Indonesia for providing the information on Ha Patchah, and sister Betsy of Jewish Congregation Or Chadash for checking the prayer for accuracy in Hebrew and for providing the Hebrew transliteration of the referenced verses from Torah.]
Questions that raises up in me
1 - i googled "ha patcha" and i cannot find any reference to it other than what is posted from the submission site. has this been verified as being true - or are we just wanting to believe in wishful thinking??
2 - is this a prayer or something a group of people put together to praise God.
3 - they say it is a jewish prayer - but it was said by a " dispora christain
denomination" - who are they exactly - more information needs to be provided about them.
4 - a look at the verses one can see outright that they are not a follow through but rather are a mix up of verses from the old testament to make up what resembles fatiha in Quran -
let us call a spade a spade - i will question openly the authenticity of this "discovery"
one has to look at the psalms and the jewish prayer book to note that though this ha patcha - said in jewish is a compilation of prayer( a pick and mix of words to suit whatever purpose for whomever) - for me , unless more information comes to light - i am not at liberty to agree that is is a prayer passed down but rather it is an attempt to compile verses to resemble fatiha of the Quran.
i will invite everyone to pick up the bible old testament and find out the verses quoted and verify themselves - they are not direct verses by any accounts - but phrases taken out of verses and then compiled into this "ha patcha"
I.E - ezra 5:1 using the KJV reads - "Then the prophets, Haggai the prophet, and Zechariah the son of Iddo, prophesied unto the Jews that were in Judah and Jerusalem in the name of the God of Israel, even unto them" ( we can see that in the name of the God of Isreal - a phrase has been taken out of the whole text)
daniel 9:9 using the KJV reads - "To the Lord our God belong mercies and forgivenesses, though we have rebelled against him." ( same thing as above comment)
Psalm 30:9 using KJV reads - "What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth" ( i think what they are trying touse of psalm 30:8 which reads -I cried to thee, O LORD; and unto the LORD I made supplication)
Psalm 27:11 using KJV reads - "Teach me thy way, O LORD, and lead me in a plain path, because of mine enemies."
Deuteronomy 8:6 using KJV reads - "Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to fear him. "
Psalm 119:21 using KJV reads - "Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, which do err from thy commandments."
i thought truth seekers were above all that - taking a phrase or word out of context and using it to manipulate whatever idea/notion they want to convince others about.
God does not need anyone to prove His existence and His authority - He is High above all that - his truth will always Prevail.
Truth will prevail and falsehood will vanish - surely falsehood will inevitably vanish!!!
Remember - 17:36
Khalifa - You shall not accept any information, unless you verify it for yourself. I have given you the hearing, the eyesight, and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.
Yusuf Ali - And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
Pickthal - (O man), follow not that whereof thou hast no knowledge. Lo! the hearing and the sight and the heart - of each of these it will be asked.
Shakir - And follow not that of which you have not the knowledge; surely the hearing and the sight and the heart, all of these, shall be questioned about that.
Sher Ali - And follow not that of which thou hast no knowledge. Verily, the ear and the eye and the heart - all these shall be called to account.
"Progressive Muslims" - And do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing, eyesight, and mind, all these you are responsible for.
Reformist Translation - Do not uphold what you have no knowledge of. For the hearing,
eyesight, and mind, all these are held responsible for that.*
May God guide us in His truth and help us to worship Him alone - Ihidina siratal mustaqim.
( funny thing just crossed my mind - lol - everyone says this done we - how do we know those who are guided? really God help us all)
another rant
My God - how do i praise you and worship thee effecively?
In this world of yours and its many trappings and many decietful lures and mis-informations.
how do i sift through and reach out to you alone -
My Lord how do i understand you, understand your teachings and worship you alone.
In this world of yours with its many diluted information.
My Lord how do i serve you? in totality and rely on you alone
In this world of yours with its many trappings.
the issue on my mind today is the many practices of salat that we just follow without reasoning.
for instance -
why do some people call on mohammed and other people in prayer when the quran says Call on God alone?
why do we say salam alaykum when we pray -
i can understand salam alaykum to signal the end of prayer when praying in congregation - but i cannot understand saying it when praying alone - who are u salaaming to -
what if if there is two of you - you will still turn right and left - depending on where you are standing - who is the other person you are salaming to?
for me - my understanding tosay is that we are so fixed on uniformity - that we have forgotten how to be individuals.
remember on the DOJ it is each man for himself - there is no uniformity in righteousness - other than you seek to worship and obey God alone.
our deeds are not the same - our circumstances are not the same - our lives are not the same - they may be similar but still not the same.
we are all equal in that we have to fight for our righteousness and redemption - no one is an exemption - not even prophets of God and messengers - we all have to prove our righteousness.
i ask God that before i die - however long it is - to redeem me and grant me rigtousness and paraside in the hereafter.
God help me and teach me - to understand you - to worship you alone.... above all the misinformation and misguidance - give me clarity to see thee, clarity to worship thee and courage to focus on thee alone.
In this world of yours and its many trappings and many decietful lures and mis-informations.
how do i sift through and reach out to you alone -
My Lord how do i understand you, understand your teachings and worship you alone.
In this world of yours with its many diluted information.
My Lord how do i serve you? in totality and rely on you alone
In this world of yours with its many trappings.
the issue on my mind today is the many practices of salat that we just follow without reasoning.
for instance -
why do some people call on mohammed and other people in prayer when the quran says Call on God alone?
why do we say salam alaykum when we pray -
i can understand salam alaykum to signal the end of prayer when praying in congregation - but i cannot understand saying it when praying alone - who are u salaaming to -
what if if there is two of you - you will still turn right and left - depending on where you are standing - who is the other person you are salaming to?
for me - my understanding tosay is that we are so fixed on uniformity - that we have forgotten how to be individuals.
remember on the DOJ it is each man for himself - there is no uniformity in righteousness - other than you seek to worship and obey God alone.
our deeds are not the same - our circumstances are not the same - our lives are not the same - they may be similar but still not the same.
we are all equal in that we have to fight for our righteousness and redemption - no one is an exemption - not even prophets of God and messengers - we all have to prove our righteousness.
i ask God that before i die - however long it is - to redeem me and grant me rigtousness and paraside in the hereafter.
God help me and teach me - to understand you - to worship you alone.... above all the misinformation and misguidance - give me clarity to see thee, clarity to worship thee and courage to focus on thee alone.
Monday, 5 September 2011
A love letter to You...............
My God, I am in awe of your blessing and kindness up on me.
I am more and mnore in your debt as You - my Lord - have never failed me.
You have answered my prayers, granted my wishes, guided me to You.
I pray dear Lord and ask Your favour and blessing that you grant me rightwousness in this life and the next, that you provide for me a generous provision from Thee in this life and the next, that you forgive my sins, redeem me and accept me in thy service.
I pray that you guide my child in righteousness always, that You keep him near and close to You - inspiring him with an Inspiration that comes only from You, that You protect my child, nourish him and sustain him.
Do not let my child suffer dear Lord but provide for him, bless him and accept him in your service.
Just like Mary's mother dedicated her child to Thee - Just like samuels mother dedicated her child to thee - so i too dedicate my child to Thee dear Lord - asking and invoking your care, mercy, protection, inspiration and guidance on my child always.
Grant us righteousness in this life and the next, forgive us and redeem us and save us from the retsibution of Hell.
I am more and mnore in your debt as You - my Lord - have never failed me.
You have answered my prayers, granted my wishes, guided me to You.
I pray dear Lord and ask Your favour and blessing that you grant me rightwousness in this life and the next, that you provide for me a generous provision from Thee in this life and the next, that you forgive my sins, redeem me and accept me in thy service.
I pray that you guide my child in righteousness always, that You keep him near and close to You - inspiring him with an Inspiration that comes only from You, that You protect my child, nourish him and sustain him.
Do not let my child suffer dear Lord but provide for him, bless him and accept him in your service.
Just like Mary's mother dedicated her child to Thee - Just like samuels mother dedicated her child to thee - so i too dedicate my child to Thee dear Lord - asking and invoking your care, mercy, protection, inspiration and guidance on my child always.
Grant us righteousness in this life and the next, forgive us and redeem us and save us from the retsibution of Hell.
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